Thank You very much Donald Trump!!!

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by StellarCoon, Nov 1, 2019.

  1. Meliai

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    The US was built on a brutal system of white supremacy that only ended 50 years ago. You're in the south....if you know any elderly black people, they were victimized under that system, they didnt go to school with white people, they didnt have equal rights as children and young adults. This is not that far in our rearview mirror.
    And what that also means is that the young white men who were beginning to be groomed for politics around the same time were being groomed under a system of white supremacy.
    I know old white people personally who still carry around the mindset of their youth when minorities didnt have equal rights. They never grew past that. It isnt hard to imagine that there are still a lot of old powerful white men in power who also still carry that mindset. Not to mention people with that mindset have passed it on to their kids.

    Also I dont really like arguing semantics but definitions change over time, and I believe one on one racism is generally regarded as prejudice now and racism is generally regarded as systemic. But the words themselves dont really matter; it's the meaning behind the words that matter so that's not an important point.
     
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  2. lode

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    There were good people on both sides of him taking out an ad calling for the death penalty of innocent people.

    Or maybe it's because the media is mean to him. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    "You don't have to demonstrate racism with words only"

    "Then come back and show us how its done"

    At the end, which is always chopped off of course

    If you think he meant america, since three were born in america.

    Then go fix america, then come back to america, show us how its done
     
  4. Now that's really funny.

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha I love it!
     
  5. Yea, I'm in the south, where we booted the KKK out decades ago to resettle in Indiana. Most of the overt, vocal racism I hear these days comes from black Americans. And they seem to be absolutely proud of expressing so much vitriol and hatred against people they don't know entirely because they are a different color.

    And that problem will not be going away anytime soon. Why? Because Jesse, Al and a couple of other racist geniuses came up with the idea that it's just plain impossible for anyone who isn't white to be a racist. This is a lie, but a clever lie. Sure, dumbasses buy it readily, why not? It gives them a free pass to hate people with no consequences.

    With this bullshit firmly in place, even in colleges FFS, the problems we know as racial will continue.

    Also, "white supremacy" was a democrat campaign slogan in the 20th century. It's not what the nation was founded on simply because the concept didn't exist. What I can't get over is how readily all of the progress this nation has made to become the most fair and diverse on the planet is just ignored to push a never-changing racism claim. As if we still had all the shit you spoke of. We don't.

    I moved to Atlanta 20 years ago from Florida expecting the worst. I literally believed it was the hotbed of pure racism in the south and that I was going to have to adapt and probably hide the fact I speak Spanish. I expected to see crosses burning from hilltops, cops beating black people in the streets and the KKK directing downtown traffic.

    The exact opposite is what I found. Atlanta was more like San Francisco of the 80s than Birmingham of the 60s.

    Again, the real surprise was just how racist so many black people seem to be around here. (Naturally I'm a racist for being white and saying such a thing, doesn't matter if it's true)
     
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  6. StellarCoon

    StellarCoon Dr. Professor

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    i'm not racist, but the blacks, puerto ricans, mexicans, asians, middle easterns, and hispanics in general bro.... i'm not racist i swear, because i have valid reasons.



    ay man, while we're on it, why can't we have more of them Swedes/Norwegians in this country. amirite? i love those people. seriously tho, i love everyone.
     
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  7. Meliai

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    Just a couple of things
    How was this nation not built on a system of white supremacy when it was built on a system of slavery and when black people didnt gain equal rights until 50 years ago?You're saying because no one really verbalized the concept of white supremacy back then, because everyone was in the thick of it and didnt recognize it for what it was, that means it didnt exist? Okay. Lol.


    And secondly, you're misrepresenting my argument. I didnt deny the progress this country has made. I am merely pointing out that there are powerful men in this country who still hold true to the ideal of the white man being supreme over everyone else. That doesnt mean ALL white people are bad, it isnt remotely constructive to the discussion to continuously frame it as that.

    The rest of your post is just repeating what you always say everytime the topic of race is brought up here. I'm in the south too, I know how far we've come. That doesnt change the fact that there are people alive today who were victimized under a system of apartheid and white supremacy and there are people alive today who propagated that system and have carried that mindset with them through their lives. And some of them hold positions of power.
     
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  8. And none of that will be fixed by grousing. Yes, there are only a handful of families controlling every aspect of American life. And yes, by virtue of population and lineage, most of them are white. They also live miles above the rest of us and rarely encounter things like racism, so I'm more inclined to see them for apathy than actually striving to perpetuate a "white supremacist" agenda.

    By the way, you're not considering this nation's founding as being any earlier than 1779 are you? It took the Americans 80 years and a civil war to end slavery, which propagated throughout the hemisphere under American guidance. I'm more inclined to look at what was accomplished than what anyone today thinks was "lacking" in the times while this nation was forming.

    With brains made for surviving in the wild, just how much progress do you really think you can make in the minds of people in such a short time? It's arrogant to think we can "force" evolution. Even Plato knew this.
     
  9. Fine, but I don't want to see them sneaking across the border. They have to wait in line, like everybody else.
     
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  10. Meliai

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    But that's my point, progress doesnt happen overnight so it's silly to think the scars of slavery and apartheid were just erased with the passage of the civil rights act or that all the racist people who held power just disappeared.
     
  11. onceburned

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    real racism is when you walk in somewhere and everyone starts looking at you like you came from another planet and one of them says " you in the wrong place, we don't serve your kind here"
     
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  12. It's well over a century. Where's the concern for the slaves I saw a couple of years ago in North Africa. It's still happening, but our attention is on 1865? I am unable to make sense of that. I'm more inclined a movement based almost entirely on seeing the causes of every of life's failings being he absolute fault, of somebody else (or even a whole race of somebody elses).

    I don't particularly care for Tucker, but this 5-minute segment is very telling.

    As is this

    It's like something from Ayn Rand these days. Just LOOK at the bullshit they dumped in Zuckerberg's lap. Look how stunned he is by the line of questioning. This is all a bunch of sensationalism that serves nothing. They accuse him of racism because there are not enough black people on Facebook, a free to everyone service. Insanity. And for what? To score racial justice jabs? Really, how did this help anyone? And we are still paying for it.
     
  13. That's impossible anyway. New racists occur with great regularity. Creating a cottage industry in anti-racism. Just look at the way that has thrived. So much of human history repeats itself because of how we're hard wired. A linear path to progress is not going to happen. What makes it really difficult is the way our technology has amplified all of our personal failings. Even the ones we try to blame on others!
     
  14. Meliai

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    Please refer to my previous posts where I referenced elderly black people who lived through apartheid (and yes, Jim Crow laws were apartheid). How was that well over a century ago when they're still alive today. It's like you're not really reading what I'm saying.

    Bringing up slavery in other parts of the world is just a deflection and it just proves my point anyways, that racist people who want to propagate a system where one group is supreme and other groups arent, very much still exist today.
     
  15. Hah, a classic film trope from High Noon to Star Wars!
     
  16. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    I have never met a Republican who accepts anything other than what falls in line with his own warped misconceptions.
     
  17. #3 looks more like a local shakedown that he paid off. After an election cycle he was tasked with paying them off again, but refused. Also, who gets to define "qualified" in these matters? I have an aunt someone tried to hit with that bullshit. She had a duplex and only insisted on a clean credit rating. But someone decided that proof of income was enough, even though there was no legal basis for this. All it did was cost her money which went directly into the pockets of lawyers. She also left the place vacant during the whole circus.

    I admit though, I am inferring all of this from what you posted and what I recall. I doubt there's any more detailed information than there is for Freddy's Fashion Mart.
     
  18. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I don't understand.
    Who specifically are you calling assholes here at the Hip Forums?
    Will you please name them or are you just throwing the term out as a catch all ad hominem attack?
     
  19. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Why do you call them assholes? Republicans always demand we respect them just because they have a job in congress?
     
  20. You were talking about slavery. Now you bring up apartheid and Jim Crow (brought to us by the democrats) specifically to deflect my claim that it has been well over a century since we had slavery. Then you accuse me of deflection.

    All of this is a practiced set of tactics. Tsk tsk
     
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