Star Wars: The rise of Skywalker

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  1. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    But you don't have to travel to a force ghost as i understood. They can appear everywhere themselves and aren't physically located somewhere.

    I think most of the trailer looks great. It's just that i hope it doesn't only LOOK great. By now I am simply expecting really good CGI, certainly in the space fights scenes. Love them of course, that's the only thing I want them to force in every movie: at least one great space fight :D But we also know they will do that :-D
     
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  2. Asmodean

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    Yeah, but the original trilogy was something really new at the time. Try getting an adult into the classic trilogy now to the same extent we digged it when we saw it for the first time. And the love for these movies usually start there.
    About the new movies: that especially counts for the newest episodes for me. Pronouncing my love for Star wars never felt as close to a guilty pleasure after viewing those two :p That's also because Jar Jar and the 90s CGI never bothered me to the same extent as you or VG of course :D

    Hmm So you see no good reason why Obi Wan wanted to make him a Jedi? Anakin may have lacked grace as you put it, but he was also promising in that regard. If he was only ridicilously talented in the force Obi Wan would have agreed with Yoda he wasn't suitable to be trained as a Jedi knight.
    It's also clear that his caring (graceful?) feelings were what made him both good and permanently conflicted. Definitely after his mom died, but which became really problematic with the prophetic dreams about Padme's death.
    Also, why is he being conflicted at odds with him being a hero? He was conflicted about very essential feelings.
    Yeah, I can see how a much more darker themed/portrayed prequel trilogy focussing on Anakin as a person could be great.
    I find there's plenty of tragedy in the newer movies, its pretty balanced imo. But some that pertains to the main characters is often just brought a bit cheaply or cliché. Like, they fellow a classic formula that just makes me think 'this stuff again?!'. But yeah, I like well brought epic tragedy too
    He was simply one of many 'heroes' during the clone wars. Not THE hero. One with conflicted thoughts and feelings you thought he shouldn't have as the heroic jedi destined to be the one. I think it's great and very logical he had them also when he was a heroic jedi (padawan) in the clone wars (not the hero of the light side of the force). It is what makes him human and what makes him vulnerable to the dark side. That the confliction stems from his caring feelings and fear of losing loved ones (graceful feelings) only makes it greater and also more solid.

    Maybe they will adress that ten year period (can't be much longer, but I understand you would have preferred to see more of that period) in a later movie. I see what you mean but I disagree the bond between them is completely glossed over. There's enough focus on it to make it all clear and believable to me.
    Not sure what everybody else wants. I for one am in the other camp. Yes, a bigger focus on Anakin and a well done character study (i mean that could have been done disappointing just as easily!) doesn't sound like crap, but the balance of the force is simply connected to the balance in the galaxy, so that there's also a lot of attention how the republic shifted into the galactic empire makes sense. Plus, it was really well done imo. The portrayal of the Naboo royalty and senators, the conflict with the trade federation, the indecisiveness of the republic council and how it influences the negative thoughts on the republic (also in Anakin), how Palpatine slowly but steadily rises to power, really well done!
    I can relate. I have similar feelings about episode 7 and 8
     
  3. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    It does matter though. Because its just distracting if the CGI looks cartoonish even if its otherwise a good movie

    The trailer for that Midway movie, the CGI looks atrocious, i'm not going to go the cinemas to watch it based solely on that, even though it might be a good story
     
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    Well, technically you never did actually see the emperor die. And a guy that can shoot lightning out of his hands can maybe just slow his decent somehow


    Also, the death star exploding was very fast, no surprise there would be chunks left over
     
  5. I just don't think it jives whatsoever with Obi Wan's feelings towards Anakin as he describes in A New Hope. Half the time in the prequels Anakin is mouthing off and talking back and someone is reprimanding him. They thought he should be deeply conflicted on the surface, I guess. I thought he should have just been a great guy, and only at the end should there have been something that triggered his fears and turned him to the dark side. That would have been far more dramatic, in my opinion. I don't think he should have been egotistical at all. He should have been the opposite. And they should have found a likable person to play him.

    The greatest tragedy of the movie should have been that he turned to the dark side. If they had just created a character the audience absolutely loved and then in the final act turned him into a monster, more machine than man (as Obi Wan put it) they could have easily fulfilled this. As it is, though, does anyone really care that Anakin, the spoiled rotten brat, turned to the dark side? It just doesn't seem like that much of a loss to me. He was never a good friend. He was whiny and selfish and self centered. (My hyphen key is broken.) It was what we expected, but no one cared. When really that is something that, ideally, would have left audiences grief stricken.

    So no, they didn't develop the character well at all, IMO. They just wanted to make a movie loaded with the action sequences that they (erroneously) believe sell tickets instead of making three actual films. Movies are good; films are better. That's my opinion.
     
  6. hotwater

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    They obviously wanted to recreate the same cover on the Star Wars edition, like the original Superman Action Comics No. 1 (which btw recently sold for 3.2 million dollars)



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  7. I wonder if the Emperor would have included little electrodes in Darth's helmet that made Darth feel sadistic. You'd think they'd have that technology, and you'd think the Emperor would want Darth to be consumed by hate and rage. I mean, people get angry, but their eyes don't turn yellow. Someone like Darth Sidious is sadistic, so it's easy for him to be evil. But as we know, Darth isn't innately sadistic, so you'd think he'd at least have moments of temptation from the light. But then again, I don't know the power of the dark side. I just don't see why the Emperor wouldn't do that, if we assume the technology was available.

    Obi Wan says Darth was more machine than man. Who turned him into a machine? The Emperor. So, it's a question of how the Emperor programmed the machine. I say he would have included some kind of negative vibes stimuli. So Star Wars the movie is really a movie about which is more powerful: massive technological power or the common bond between human beings. In my opinion Darth proved that even the most insidious technology was no match for the power of love when he threw the Emperor down the Well of No Return.
     
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    3 million for 1 comic issue? As in 1 book?
     
  9. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    One thing we know for sure, no one is really dies in the Star Wars universe.

    Darth Maul was cut in half by Obi-Wan Kenobi and survived a thousand foot fall, so why not Palpatine? and Obi Wan Kenobi was cut in half by Darth Vader and turned into a Force Ghost.
    What I don’t understand is why Darth Vader was so surprised in Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope, when Obi Wan Kenobi disappeared after being sliced in half.

    Next thing you know it Captain Needa and Admiral Ozzel will make a reappearance, claiming they just lost consciousness after being deprived of oxygen ….lol….
     
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    Yoda’s crunchy box of o’s , for breakfast, brunch and lunch, to fill your bags and totes, with crispy bunches of Oats.- General Mills Inc.,




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    lion1978 The King

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    Skywalker errects
     
  13. hotwater

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  15. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Yep, still gets me angry
     
  16. hotwater

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    Because it sounds so fake and ingenuous
     
  17. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    That was cringy yes. It does illustrate his weakness though.
     
  18. hotwater

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    Yeah, white people [​IMG]
     
  19. Irminsul

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    Dats a lotta watermelon and fried chicken boss
     
  20. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    And that’s a lot of sauerbraten, sauerkraut, and Schweineschnitzel ...lol...
     

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