Will we impeach him this time?

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  1. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    We get the Spanish inquisition here on TV also, you dont need any research to watch that and know its a whole lot of babbling

    Besides, I can inform her on the main points:

    - 2 years 40 million dollars on the Mueller investigation into interference into the 2016 election that didnt charge any americans with interference i that election. Charged 12 russians who may or may not exist with putting ads on Facebook ooooh

    - same guy that started that, started this Comrade Schiffty

    - one "whistelblower" a Ukranian spy, the other,
    covering up for the Bidens
     
  2. Vanilla Gorilla

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    And there has to be an actual transaction for that
     
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    onceburned Banned

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  4. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    VG you can't possibly be that naive

    The only reason Trump wasn't indicted was because he is a sitting President, which by the way will not be the case in another 355 days.

    700 former prosecutors signed a letter stating the following...............

    We are former federal prosecutors. We served under both Republican and Democratic administrations at different levels of the federal system: as line attorneys, supervisors, special prosecutors,
    United States Attorneys, and senior officials at the Department of Justice. The offices in which we served were small, medium, and large; urban, suburban, and rural; and located in all parts of our country.

    Each of us believes that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President,
    result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice.
     
  5. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Well, if you are going to just make stuff up
     
  6. He hasn't though.
     
  7. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Someone recently suggested that trump supporters are like a cult ..

    .I believe it because as an African American, if President Obama had ever violated every law and principle that made this country great,
    nothing short of hanging would be appropriate.
     
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    The charge:

    Aid was witheld on the condition that the favor "investigate political rivals" was paid.

    That's a transaction.
     
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    "I am in favor of impeachment, but the fact is every time we are talking about Donald Trump, even his impeachment, we are losing"

    Andrew Yang
     
  10. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    If the right wing was not stressed over something we would not have Fox news discussing this 24/7. They would not "storm" open hearings in an attemp to rile up emotion. They would not use the word coupe. They would let it all happen. The fact they don't implies deep down a fear of loosing and a greater fear that an Ar-15 will not help them. Those are the two fronts: You can't do it anyway and if you do I'll just kill you. They count on the bluff.

    As I've said on here many times the military is preparing for this. People either follow that oath or they die as well. Plans for war are made and they looked at Facebook.

    It's quite a silly to think the left wing is imploding. Nope, socialism is in and I guess that's what "too left" means. I gurentee every election the platform is how we can tax the rich. That is not going away and Trump culters seem to think it will
     
  11. There is no "storming" an open session, that term was assigned to the event by the press. And like it or not, "too left" is a thing and it's exactly why Trump is president now. If the far left hadn't taken their gloves off (and masks on) during the Obama administration, the democrats might have a viable candidate for attracting swing votes.

    As for the rich, how do you go after someone who can literally afford to make you vanish from the face of the earth? I'd love to know so I can go after every wealthy fuck who managed to short change me. I'm still of the opinion that most of our social issues are tied more tightly to class than to genetics. However, steering the populace into an eternal struggle based on each other's genetics is a GREAT way to keep the masses occupied, so they don't think about class so much.
     
  12. Vanilla Gorilla

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    And there in lies the rub.

    In order for even a conspiracy charge you would need a direct quote in the phone call

    Otherwise, its not a transaction if the aid was never withheld. The mechanisms to determine that aid amount not in the Presidents job description
     
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  13. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    You just make it up as you go along, don't you. There's no such requirement in the law of impeachment . All that needs to be shown, to the satisfaction of Congress, is that an implied improper condition was attached to aid appropriated by Congress. Trump's own words on the tape, amply corroborated by the witnesses, is sufficient to show that
     
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  14. Maybe you could do something about your own replies towards people.
    VG is taking the piss out of your posting style.
    Stop taking everything so seriously.
     
  15. Vanilla Gorilla

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    So back to the old a crime doesnt have to be comitted to be impeached line. Which would make for a pretty useless impeachment

    Yawn
     
  16. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    I'm telling you what the law regarding impeachment is and isn't in this country. You're pulling yours out of your ass.
     
  17. onceburned

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    maybe a fake impeachment in the house, but there is a good chance it will get smacked down in the senate
     
  18. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Oh for crying out loud.

    Useless in this instant if the senate is never going to convict and the public doesnt see it as criminal in the first place.

    No, you dont have to go on about the impeachment process, that in itself is always going to come down to the numbers in the senate.

    If he loses next november, it will be cos people think he is smug or just because he isnt a democrat. No one gives a shit about Ukraine

    You just keep going on about the impeachment process to detract from how lame this all is
     
  19. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Bill Clinton was impeached by the House for getting a blow job in the oval office, THERE”S NO LAW AGAINST THAT. It’s wrong and out of place, but NOT ILLEGAL


    What Trump did was AGAINST THE LAW – that’s the difference.
     
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  20. Okiefreak

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    This thread is about impeachment. You've gone on with your disinformation about impeachment, so I think I'm entitled to address it, too.

    I agree that Trump won't be convicted by the Senate. That's virtually a certainty. As for people not thinking Ukraine is important, I agree with that, too; most don't, although they should. The real issue isn't Ukraine but the rule of law, and a President who abuses his powers of office to go after political opponents. We have a lawless President on our hands: essentially a Mafia crime boss. There's abundant evidence to support a bribery/extortion charge and obstruction of justice. I personally would like to see the impeachment inquiry broadened to include the emoluments clause violations and further investigation of the collusion uncovered by the Mueller report, which Mueller didn't pursue because a sitting President can't be indicted; and collusion itself isn't a crime (although conspiracy is. The purpose of an impeachment inquiry is to investigate and bring to light criminal activity upon probable cause--as was done with Watergate and the investigation of Clinton. Congress would be derelict in its duties if it ignored Trump's behavior and would give him a green light to continue his lawless behavior.

    The die is cast. Continuing with the hearing is necessary. If voters are too dumb to understand or care about the situation and the Republicans are too partisan to be moved by the evidence, that's a sad state of affairs. But I think it's necessary to continue anyhow. It might be that the House will vote for a resolution of censure instead of formal impeachment. I expect Trump might win another term and the country might go to hell in a hand basket, but at least some of us tried to prevent it.
     
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