2020 Election

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  1. Okiefreak

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  2. 6-eyed shaman

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    So a while back I mentioned that I was tasked with the job to design a campaign sign for some Virginia based Democrats. They liked my work so much that they recommended me to Democrats in a neighboring county so I could redo their letterheads, business cards, and other things. This is great. I love taking Democrat money and redistributing it to better causes. Like Gavin McInnes’ lawsuit fund against the SPLC
     
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  3. Okiefreak

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    I'm shocked: A purported free speech advocate like yourself supporting a lawsuit aimed at stifling free speech! The suit is what's known in the trade as a SLAPP lawsuit (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation)--designed to silence a person or organization that is causing problems for right wingers. In this great country of ours, anybody can sue anybody for anything, but often frivolous lawsuits are thrown out of court. That might happen to this one. As I understand it, the gist of the lawsuit is that SPLC, by listing McInnes and his Proud Boys on one of its hate group lists. A true free speech absolutist would see that SPLC was simply voicing its opinion of a public figure, which, last time I looked, is protected by the First and Fourteenth Amendments. Comparing this to your outrage over the treatment of Alex Jones suggests that you might be a tad selective in your view of defamation. But it's your money. Squander it as you wish. (But don't let your customers find out!)
     
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  4. The SPLC reminds me of ISIS from the series Archer. ISIS (International Secret Intelligence Service) it turns out is not a government agency at all and has been performing intelligence and tactical services globally, with no mandate or legal service position. The SPLC is the same thing basically, an artificial entity that has more in common with professional wrestling than it does with an agency that serves either the government or the American people. Which is their right to do since they are a private organization.

    What's interesting is the way they keep racism front and center and have even helped script this supposed white supremacy revival that has apparently been going on for years and years. While I have no doubt that McInnis and the Proud Boys are not to be trifled with, that's enough for me. I don't need to know any more about them than I already do, they're a bunch of rowdy assholes who actively look for trouble, which I usually avoid.

    But some of the people and agencies listed by the SPLC as "hate groups" are there for being religious organizations who oppose abortion. That's not an act of hate, so having an agency with no oversight post this as if it was a fact for the world to see is disturbing. It makes them no better than the "Invisible Empire" they supposedly brought down. But if I look at this like a wealthy player with years invested in fighting racism, then why on earth would I lift a finger to bring about change? Any change that reduces the incidence of racism is money that doesn't go to the bank because it never arrives.

    I never underestimate greed, even from the far left.
     
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    It depends on how they oppose it. If they do so by bombing abortion clinics, I'd call it an act of hate. I'd call it an act of hate if they try to block pregnant women from entering abortion clinics, or shame them as they try to do so. Any in particular you have in mind?
     
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    He actually warns them not to go too far left
     
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    It's not left, it's not right, it is forward
     
  10. And yet, he has this to say “I love me some Stacey Abrams,” ?!?!?!

    Of all people to pick he goes for Abrams? Where was he when democrats shit on her to back Ossoff? Abrams is still telling everyone she was robbed of her governorship. While conveniently leaving out the fact it was her voter registration drives that caused much of the problems in the election she lost.

    Obama is speaking the truth though, if they run a hard left campaign, democrats will lose the election. Which is why he didn't do any far left shit until well after his inauguration. He knows how it all works, but the gaggle running for the democratic nomination isn't going to listen to him. Warren has the best chance at being the worst candidate. Even feminists see her as a step backward.
     
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    On the surface, the SPLC sounds like a good idea of fighting hatred and bigotry. But once the money started pouring in, they decided to expand the net of hatred to everyone including regular conservatives. Look at their hate map, and it seems America has more "hate groups" than public libraries. Slander Propaganda and Libel Center is what SPLC really stands for. Anyone with an ounce of common sense who doesn’t see the world with the lens of left wing smear campaigns knows that the Proud Boys are not the right wing equivalent of Antifa. They were a drinking club and a multi-racial fraternal support group with common political interest. The SPLC insights hate and violence against innocent people who have the wrong opinion. They’ve built an empire on weaponized racist accusations by associating all political opponents with the same brush as white nationalists. Fuck them. If Maajid Nawaz can win his defamation lawsuit against the SPLC, so can Gavin.

    The money won't get here until Monday or Tuesday, so I can still send it elsewhere. Like helping Laura Loomer or Enriqe Tarrio get into congress.
     
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    Once it might have played a constructive role in teaching male misfits to have sex with women instead of their hands. But it morphed into something more sinister as McInnes became power drunk and developed political aspirations.Republicans Are Adopting the Proud Boys
    FBI now classifies Proud Boys as an extremist group. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/19/proud-boys-fbi-classification-extremist-group-white-nationalism-report That may complicate Gavin's lawsuit. There's a reason he's trying to distance himself from his own Frankenstein monster after the group's ties to the far-right were exposed.Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes quits 'extremist' far-right group

    McInnes has been a modern day Pied Piper for millennial man-children. Members tend to be "lost boys"(in their twenties and thirties) having difficulty finding steady jobs and stable relationships with women, and blaming others for it. They seem to be particularly active in the Portland area. Are you a Proud Boy?
    FBI now classifies far-right Proud Boys as 'extremist group', documents say
    Gavin McInnes & Proud Boys: Poisonous Allure of Violence | National Review
    Proud Boys’ Violence: A Pattern | Right Wing Watch
    Proud Boys Street Gang Had A Weekend Of Coast-To-Coast Violence | HuffPost
    Leaked Proud Boys Chats Show Members Plotting Violence At Rallies | HuffPost
    Proud Boys Founder Gavin McInnes: 'We Need More Violence from the Trump People'
    Proud Boys now equals or exceeds Antifa's record for violence.

    Laura Looper, Anti-Muslim right-wing conspiracy theorist; and Enriqe Tarrio, the Proud Boys new token "Afro-Cuban" leader, (we'll see how long he lasts). Sounds like a tough choice. Are you independently wealthy now?
     
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  15. Obama is absolutely wrong about what this country wants, and he always was.

    The only reason a centrist candidate stands a chance in hell is because of a fierce propaganda campaign. What the people want is a more peaceful, fair country, though. We don't want people to die, essentially. We don't want ourselves or others to suffer and die because we can't get the help we need. We don't want the environment to become inhospitable to human life. We don't think that the ultra wealthy being above the law is right. We want them to contribute in a big way to making society a better place, as they have the means to really make a difference.

    Those are some things that are "insanely left" that most people actually, yes, do want.

    We're so far gone, we're convinced we enjoy suffering. You know who likes to fight and pick on people? Narcissists. They get off on the whole thing. There's a reason narcissists become politicians: because they get a lot of attention for getting in fights (and bullying people.) But, again, most people aren't comfortable like this. We want to cooperate with everyone everywhere around the world to the best of our ability.
     
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    Bernie will not be president.
     
  17. Who said anything about Bernie, Nostradamus?
     
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    After spending time hanging out with both successful and unsuccessful people, I've found that most successful people have a noticible degree of narcissism within them. Many unsuccessful people I've noticed, have an element of self loathing.

    The problem is that people don't love themselves enough.
     
  19. The problem is that one's success is largely determined by the state of the society one helps to create. The person with the most influence on our society has failed us miserably, pandering to our most juvenile delusions. Mocking the disabled, women, immigrants, etc. etc.

    Narcissists are successful, but they thrive in discord. So if discord is what you want, go narcissists. If that's your definition of success. Yay.

    Personally I don't want to be manipulated and bullied, and I don't want to manipulate or bully anyone else, either.

    I know, crazy talk, right? What am I, a Bernie Sanders supporter?
     
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    Sure he is. Which is why he was elected to two terms and would be elected to a third if the Constitution would allow him to run again.

    It's getting there that's the challenge. That may be what people want, but what they'll probably get is four more years of Trump if they aren't careful. I don't sense that a majority of the citizenry are groaning under economic oppression. Deprivation is relative, and compared with what they've experienced in the past, these are good times for most of them. Unfortunately, if Trump continues in office, our institutions will continue to erode, as the judiciary becomes more politicized and the rule of law continues to erode. Getting rid of Trump is, itself , a worthy objective and should be our top priority. Making this also the year for the great leap forward into socialism risks spooking the voters.
     
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