Will we impeach him this time?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by newo, Sep 28, 2019.

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  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    We learned that Trump and associates orchestrated a smear campaign against her becasue she would stand in the way of a requested investigation of the Bidens by the Ukrainians.

    As a career diplomat serving under both Republicans and Democrats (six Presidents) she is beyond political manipulation and so had to go.
    When she first heard the news of her possible dismissal she was at a dedication for a Ukrainian woman who died at the hands of an attacker while fighting corruption.
    Yovanovitch was also fighting corruption in Ukraine and since Rudy Giuliani, Trump, and company were about to launch a corrupt bid to get dirt on one of Trump's political rivals Yovanovitch was dangerous.
    We learned that Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, both under indictment, were enlisted to help send her home and that she was not only the target of Trump, but also Yuri Lutsenko, the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor general, as a favor for Trump.

    We learned that the smear campaign against her was baseless and promoted by many fake news right wing outlets that I won't even dignify by naming.
    And there was lots more....but why bother repeating it if you can't understand it the first time?
     
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  2. granite45

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    Well
    Well, we could reassign Trump as a garbage truck loader on the national mall and at least he would still have a job as well as an even fatter pension than the Ambassador. All for a lot less time served and way less contribution to the nation.
     
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  3. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Trump did not get any more votes than Republicans prior. It's his cult's fantasy that if you get them mad enough they will have a voice. It's the same as it ever was. A certain minority is opposed to social change. It's right in the name conservative. He did not win an election with 51%. The party has done what it needs to under real democracy.

    I have a whole other thread on why this is not democratic. "Too left" has come to mean people who want equality and democracy. "Right" is white people who feel their "culture" is under attack. So they make silly statements like yours on how society pushed them to it.

    No they were always asses and now they have an excuse. They are not going to change unless values most people hold dear no longer exist. They are the same people who said MLK was too extreme as well. Their values are for the negro to sit down and shut up or in modern times don't dare kneel or sit. See my drift.

    Most don't like guns, most are fine with Muslims in schools, etc.
     
  4. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Which is a racist statement
     
  5. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    How? I get this a lot here. So explain how I'm racist and the polices of people who don't vote as me are not.
     
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  6. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Well, if you cant work out whats racist with the simple "Right is white people..."

    Then that in itself is the problem
     
  7. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Sorry if that upsets you it's simple statistics. Most voters of the Republicans are white and it's probably also why they cozy up to racist figures who talk of white rights all the time. There is something in conservative values that seeks to preserve a social class system. Their parents made the country and their parents were not black.

    If it's not a white guys party why do they get so upset when they doesn't have minority voters? They admit themselves it's a white party and they cater to those voters.They invent a conspiracy where people hate them since they are white. If only there was not this illogical hate black and brown people would vote for them,

    They make race an issue and are clear that only a certain sort of person is American. Quite a reach to say I'm racist compared to that.

    You can say I'm too stupid to work it out but it's clear your argument is one of emotion only. You are so hungry to find something not there in my statement. Meanwhile you have supported walls and nazis. You have no leg to stand on. I am clear those things are not ok.
     
  8. You're just not getting it. Hating and denegrating people for being white is the "good" kind of prejudice, bigotry and racism. As long as it's directed at white people, and it's negative, it's cool.

    And as you see there can be no compromising on this. The ONLY thing that will satisfy people who justify hatred is annihilation. But this isn't malice, this is chess thinking in a poker world. It's something I expect from people who spent some time on Lithium or ECT, that singular channel of priority always seems to ring through it all.

    Antifa losers are similar in the way they apply this kind of circular logic. They can't admit to being fascists, so it's unlikely they'd own up to their blatant racism as well.
     
  9. My local Triple M radio news broadcast told us that one of the american politicians ripped a huge fart in a presser. It stunk really badly
     
  10. Don't use skin colour mate. It's racist
     
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  11. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    It's really not.

    It could be used in a racist way I suppose but it's mostly an excuse for ignorant right wing people to think they have a moral high ground. They focus on this minor aspect of human life in a such a way that it creates a certain voting and economic system. Discussions of this reality are "racist" then because it's a person unlike them saying it. It's "racist" again when people who look like them say I too have noticed people with this opinion often look like this. It's a tactic dating back a long time in America. Even during the days of MLK it was thought that racism was over since under the law black people in theory had equal rights. A guy like him was just making trouble. Why is he so racist against me? Evey thing with him is his black brothers and sisters and I'm for "all sisters mattering" as some might say now in America.

    Real progress is to simply say racism is gone and move on to these people. Those who say otherwise are the real racists. It ignores the realities of America. Racism is simple to end but the trouble is we can't end it until you admit it is there to end. That's counter to right wing thinking in America. People with motivation and work ethic will just figure it out. If they bitch about something as simple that I don't even see like race they are failures anyway. It's why many successful minorities do vote right wing. They got some money and they personally never dealt with any racism. So being black must be no big deal in America.

    You are welcome to think the word white is racist but I'm a white guy it's not. The vote is not racial. The vote is for policy. Most Mexican and black people agree with me and don't vote a certain way. They also see one party as endorsing a silent racism. There are just certain economic and social realities in America. Certain white people are drawn to the flat out racist Nazi like aspects of Trump's presidency. Other white people like his end to "PC society" and tax breaks. None of these people accept data on racial biases in police work, education, or other areas that matter. Some Americans just have less opportunity. Not for a lack of work ethic just a lack of a good chance.

    It's just simple data. It's the same kind of data any politician or product in America wants to know to. Do black people buy this juice? Do Spanish speaking people buy this even if they can't read the label? These are questions marketing firms ask themselves. Data is not racist until humans bring a biases of what racism is. You can see see data how you want and make it racist or you can analyze and improve. For me to do that I guess I need to call white people white. It is OK to be white according to the racist alt-right types. So a whole a group of OK people vote a certain way that is fair to say,
     
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  12. Picking on somebody due to the colour of their skin is racist mate. Don't do it.
     
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  13. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    What unfocusedanakin is saying is that the republican party is largely made up of white people..

    In the Congress in 2017 there were 289 Republicans and 239 Democrats. There were more Republicans than Democrats.
    But there were 78 Democratic women verses 28 Republican.
    48 African-American Democrats, 3 Republican.
    30 Hispanic Democrats, 13 Republican.
    16 Asian/Pacific Democrats, 0 Republican.

    In 2012 89% of Republicans were Non-Hispanic whites verses 60% of Democrats.

    2% of Republicans were black verses 22% of Democrats.
    6% of Republicans were Hispanic verses 13% of Democrats.
    Are facts racist?
     
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    Well it seems to me that you are playing a game or you’re paranoid

    I mean who thinks racism is cool, do you honestly believe that the hating and denigrating of white people is a mainstream activity?

    Where are you getting that from because I think for your own health you should step away from it.

    But I actually get the feeling this is just all a game to try and portray social and economic inequality as racism (as unfocused mentioned)

    I mean if you took away the colour you would find certain advantaged groups voting one way (group A) and certain more disadvantaged groups voting another way (group B)

    The policies voted for by group A disadvantage those in group B and the policies those in group B favour are though by those in A to disadvantage them.

    If you turn the colour switch back on well you find that the economic group A has a large number of white people in it and that people with other skin colours favour more the polices pushed by group B.

    The problem is that those in group A don’t seem to have very good arguments to back up their policies so instead they are trying to claim that opposition to A’s policies is motivated by hatred of whites (because group A happens to have more white people in it) than that group A’s policies are just crap.

    If you want to stop been got at for having crap ideas then change your ideas don’t invent some pretend discrimination
     
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  15. Of course facts are racist. That science was settled during the Obama administration.
     
  16. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Thats not what he said at all


    So, how does that work in somewhere like say Angola?. Right wing party got 1/4 of the seats last election to that countries left; democratic socialists ( i.e marxists, commies) 3/4. Resource rich with oil, but of course that money doesnt get spend on "equality and democracy". Would you say Angolas right wing party is "white people who feel their culture is under attack?
     
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    Thankyou Balbus for setting unfocused straight for us
     
  18. Asmodean

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    If a significant amount of angolan white people would portray their cultural identity is under threat it is not racist to state that. In the US this is the situation. This is what Unfocusedanakin was referring to. Seems rather obvious. Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey! ;)
     
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  19. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Lolz, did you seriously just say that? Why do you think I picked Angola
     
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