Another fun climate change thread

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Vanilla Gorilla, Jan 7, 2019.

  1. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Do you really think all those fires are deliberately lit? Hundreds of them at one stage
     
  2. Yep most of them were deliberately lit.
    One in qld was lightning
     
  3. Here in victoria there was a 47 year old who lit 3 bush fires on that scorching hot day last friday.
     
  4. I read that too. But she understands that the changes in weather doesn't help the situation.
    As i said the onus is on all of us to change our habits.
    It's too easy for a smoker to start a fire just by not putting it out and tossing it in the grass.
    People leaving bonfires and not putting them out before leaving, starts fires.
    Saw one person in Nowra start the fires there. Look at the damage it did.
     
  5. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Started by human activity and arson are two different things though. Most of them arent deliberately lit.

    How do wildfires start and spread?
     
  6. The Google Wars...begun they have.
     
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    We going to end climate change.. by blocking out the sun..

    Which we already do by blocking sun rays from reaching the earth with X-CHEMTRAILS..
     
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  8. They are deliberately lit fires.
    Because when it is a total fire ban day that's when you get idiots lighting them. They commit arson which is a criminal offense everywhere.
     
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  10. Neighbours are whinging about the smoke haze here in ballarat.
    It's coming from the lexton fires which started last friday.

    Air quality here outside is not that great.
     
  11. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    1. A carbon tax promotes companies switching to clean energy as fossil fuels are taxed and thus cost more.
    It raises the cost of fuel and electricity for the common consumer thus promoting less use by them.
    It raises revenue for the government to reinvest in clean energy and related technologies.
    2. Capping the allowable pollution forces industries to limit pollution and energy use. Trading allows industries that reduce their pollution quickly to sell their allowances to other industries that are slower to convert, or they can bank their allowance for the future.
    3. Divesting public interest in fossil fuels forces the government to develop or switch to clean energy and removes government incentives to the fossil fuel industry.
    4. Offering incentives to develop clean energy is a no brainer.
    5. Same with incentives to develop better storage devices. Storage of peak energy generation for lax periods of energy generation is one of the major problems with clean energy such as wind, solar, and ocean.
    6. Modernizing the energy grid allows for easier transfer of energy across the grid so that high generation areas can quickly supply low generation areas, spread out peak loads and generation, allow the integration of renewable generation systems and provide a more efficient reliable network.
    7. Developing mass transit is a no brainer.
    8. Same with the development of greater energy efficiency

    Why hasn't it been done?
    Why the United States Does Not Have a Renewable Energy Policy
     
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  12. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    that's good! this just like what we learned in environmental policy. And then some! Lol. Not bad at all!
     
  13. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Oh dear dear dear. I say they arent working....you give me a definition of what a carbon tax is

    Oi


    No, slapping taxes on fuel doesnt raise revenue for the government to reinvest in "clean" energy. It raises the prices of all things that need to be transported, undercutting their revenue in other areas. Mass strikes across places like Brazil and France if set too high

    There is no such thing as "clean" energy that is dependant on batteries. Batteries themselves arent going to get that more efficient.

    Just putting the word "modernizing" 8n from on something doesnt really mean anything.

    At the very start of this thread is a graph showing China outputting twice the amount of CO2 as the US. Carbon trading just shifts manufacturing to other countries that dont play by those rules or report correctly.

    There is a whole world outside of the US by the way
     
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    me thinks to many be huffing a chlorofluorocarbon aerosol, shits all in your heads.. get some oxygen.. please..
     
  15. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Its whats wrong with the world.

    We never have to work out how much we have to try by. Just as long as we pretend to try, thats all that matters
     
  16. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    they were talking about this failed policy. Obama tried to implement a cap and trade system like what @MeAgain is saying such that you could pollute a certain amount and if your company was going to go over that amount it could buy extra room from other companies that did not exceed that amount. I don't think that it's been implemented. I'm pretty sure it passed in the House and failed in the Senate when Obama was president.


     
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  18. Vanilla Gorilla

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    If there a thousand steps from all the raw materials through to the end product. There is no use calling something zero emissions if only the last 5 steps in your country are zero emissions and the previous 995 that occur in other countries are not.

    Its just pretending
     
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    I've been reading into a little more about these bushfires. It seems a little coincidental that only a few months ago the government were campaigning over climate protesters. I would not be at all surprised to find out in the future that some of these fires were purposely lit. I know a few people have already been arrested for lighting fires, I haven't heard any of their reasons yet or if they're just a bunch of fuckwits. It just seems so fitting to me, that only months after being threatened by the government, the exact best and worst case scenario depending on how you look at it managed to erupt and I'm also keeping a close eye on the media for their involvment in all of this because so far it's been a political and media dream haven and I'm old enough to know that in this political spectrum and realm, that is not a coincidence, they never are.
     

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