2020 Election

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Deleted member 42017, Jan 1, 2019.

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  1. There are extremely annoying people on both sides of the aisle, but by and large it isn't as you say.

    This whole act of yours where you're just some regular guy who doesn't like either party but can see that the Democrats are the bad party is sickening.
     
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  2. They're just putting on a better show right now. The republicans are boring.

    Also, I'm not a celebrity.
     
  3. Okiefreak

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    And Trump isn't? Did you get your diploma from Trump U. yet?
     
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    Okie beat me to it, but I take it you thought trump was less of a crook than the Clintons. If one were to believe in guilt by association, trump, and the clintons were friends, so therefore trump is as big a crook as the clintons.
     
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    I don't think you actually believe this. Others have principles and act on them too, but because they don't suit you you like to pose it like they're not principal.

    But I found this remark more interesting coming from you:
    If he's a hero because of what he shared via Wikileaks why don't you view Manning as such? Or Snowden?
     
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    Her only expertise might be foreign policy, but she learned that expertise from Bashar al Assad at that dinner she was at in Damascus.
    Hillary, and Kamala don't run the Democratic party
    I suppose Asange would be considered a hero, if you are into raping women.
     
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    Where have I expressed my disgust for Snowden? I think here a hero too. I’m indifferent about Manning.
    The DNC thrives on false rape accusations
     
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    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    I gave you a like ... well … because it's an honest description of how you vote. I agree that Gabbard is history now. I agree the rest of them don't look too good up against Trump. However, people like me are asking, "Do I vote for anyone against Trump?" I do think a Biden & Warren or Biden & Klobuchar ticket would be powerful.
     
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    Not saying you did express disgust or dislike for Snowden (not saying you didn't either. I simply don't recall with certainty). I was primarily wondering because you did express disgust about both Manning as a person (not that interesting to me) and his perceived action of treason against the US in the past. So I was wondering wether that has changed and/or if it applied to those other two as well.
     
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    Is Benedict Arnold another of your heroes? The RNC thrives on real rapes.
     
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  11. Asmodean

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    Do you find Snowden or Assange (or Manning)s actions similar as and easily comparable to Benedict Arnolds?
     
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    Valid Question. I would ask him the same question.
     
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    No. Only in the sense that they were involved in actions that were deliberately detrimental to the United States and beneficial to a hostile foreign power. Arnold's, of course, was a blatant act of treason--a military officer plotting to surrender a fort to the British. In Snowden's case, he wasn't a military officer, and the U.S. wasn't actually at war with China and Russia, although for all practical purposes they are hostile powers. He did, however, accept a position of trust in government intelligence service, a clear condition of which was non-disclosure. He disclosed. How? He couldn't have acted alone, since he lacked access to the secret compartments from which the most sensitive documents were stolen. To whom? Instead of disclosing it to trusted domestic congressional and journalistic sources, he turned some of it over to foreign journalists and made a bee line with most of it to China and then Russia, where officials are surely reveling in the treasure trove of detailed information about our sensitive intelligence information and contacts. According to Dianne Fenstein, Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, as a result of Snowden's actions, intelligence sources have dried up and intelligence strategies and networks have been compromised. So I'd accept her assessment that Snowden is a traitor. I don't think he should be executed, but some serious time would be in order.

    Chelsea (formerly Bradley) Manning was a member of the U.S. Armed Services, sworn "to remain eternally loyal to the United States and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic." She was convicted by a court martial for violating the Espionage Act after giving WikiLeaks nearly 750,000 classified or sensitive military and diplomatic documents. Yes, I'd say that puts her in the same category.

    Assange is different. For one thing, he's not a U.S. citizen, but is accused by the United States of conspiring with Manning to breach the password leading to the computer leak which led to his acquisition of the information that he subsequently published. Then, of course, he became the conduit of information stolen by Russia (or was it Ukraine or Lower Slobovia?) from the DNC server. He was fully complicit in an effort to interfere with U.S. elections. In my estimation, he's a slime ball (also an accused rapist), but Six thinks he's a hero, which tells us something about Six's taste and values.
     
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  14. Benedict Arnold bad. You say those people bad? Me say those people good. So maybe a bad man, he is not.
     
  15. I've never denied Trump's potential for being a crook, it's what I think of most of the "Super-Wealthy". But he's much better than the usual political field at being one.
     
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  16. Assange has got nothing to do with it.
    I think he is being accused because he seems to be autistic.
    Ignorance on those who are holding him in police cells.
     
  17. As for the requirement of being rich, i think that rule sucks.
    There should be more political parties and give other people a go.
     
  18. That's not how real power works. Regardless of the political system, power is the end goal. Getting it and keeping it.
     
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    Sometimes your country isn’t always right
     
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