2020 Election

A very astute observation. Even Bloomberg said as much. They put the cops where the crime is.

BUT, it also seems like "they" corral people, particularly those on government assistance, into tight communities on the other side of a metropolis from the rich slobs in the gated communities with rent-a-cops who shake down anyone who "ain't from these parts" etc.

I now understand why medieval landlords lived on top of hills. Not only to flaunt their wealth, but to keep an eye on every parcel. It's still basically the same thing. Only today, instead of hating the landlords, we have been taught to hate each other. What's amazing is how many fall into that trap so easily. To the point they hate an entire race of people they barely know anything about.

 

I'm the same way with NPR. How much snark can they pack into a 15 minute segment?

 

Every time I have ever been accused of shoplifting, I take my clothes off. You should see the look on those asshole's faces when they clearly see they were wrong.

 

Brilliant, but pointless.

 

The thing is there is plenty of crime in wealthy neighborhoods also. It's just that it isn't as easy to see.

 

Perhaps, but the comparison is meaningless. You don't see street corner dealers and hookers in gated communities and the gang activity is nonexistent. You also have an HOA that rules the community like Mussolini, imparting fines for having a blade of grass too high. It's just too pussy overall for me to take seriously as a crime wave.

Oinkers are all about visible crime. Cities are as well, which is why they perpetuate it with traditional crime hot spots that never get fixed. It's a way to ensure they never have any layoffs in the police department or city hall. Government workers literally prey on the rest of us. We're a resource. So are poor people since they get a government check, but they don't have enough money to defend themselves in court. Easy pickings for cops and lawyers.

And on the issue of crime and prison populations. It's time to take a step back and realize that people in jails and prisons are not all there because of some misunderstanding or ambiguity with some nuanced statute the cop somehow misinterpreted. Most of those assholes are there because they belong there, they broke the law. And in most cases they broke the law by taking severe advantage of someone who actually was innocent.

There have been no massive neighborhood sweeps where they arrest people just because they are a certain color. ALL of the criminal cases in the US are handled individually, even gang crimes in most cases (sometimes they drag them all in together when there's a clear conspiracy). So consider the statistics carefully because they do not indicate a systemic issue with the law. What they do indicate is a chronic disregard for the law. I come by this from my own experience fighting the law. I was alone in it. I didn't have anything to fall back on and I had nobody but myself to blame. I knew I was breaking the law, I didn't care, and I was careless. Amazingly, I got caught!

 

There are far more white people if you do what your chart apparently does and combines white and hispanic people.

So in your chart, assuming it's true (which is difficult because there's no link and only makes sense if we assume hispanic people are white people and there are over 2 million prisoners.) it still shows a disproportionate amount of black prisoners to white ones. By a factor of 3.

 

If they aren't willing to vote for another candidate the easy (still logical fallacy) leap to make would be that they value the individual over the collective.

 

My brain hurts with both of your positions on this.

What's really weird this time around is how the lessons of 2016 were so easily discarded. The Clintons failed because they continue to live in the 90s politically. What they relied on was for all of the feudal democrat kingdoms to unite so they could win the election. But that didn't materialize. Bernie supporters stayed home, as they will again if he gets shafted, again. By not forming a coalition the democrats seem to be willing to battle it out in-house right up to debating Trump, again.

And Trump has had the resources of the US government for 3+ years. He's going to be hard to beat no matter how many times he's called a Nazi, Racist, Hitler or Punkinhead. Democrats are shitting their own bed for all to see. There was a time when Biden was their only viable candidate in realistic terms (old money, old people, old votes). But, Joe can't stop being Joe in public. Which makes even the hard left press do more digging.

What democrats need to do now is plan for 2024 as a collective. If they keep going as they are, the momentum Trump is creating will continue, I'm not sure about Pence, but I am sure the republicans are changing their tune by the day as they forget how much they got used to losing and tossing in the towel for cash and prizes from crooked democrats.

What a show it's going to be!

 

Well I didn't believe either case. Hence the logical fallacy bit.

Dems should look at 2024? I don't think you appreciate how truly unpopular that guy is outside right wing circles.

 

How would it be proportionate? Ever? There are no racial quotas among criminals. Criminal courts are not group affairs, everyone is prosecuted individually and according to their own personal record. How does Bubba buying a blunt from G-Money make either one of them more (or less) criminal than the other? Who will get the heaviest treatment in court? The guy with the longest record. It ain't rocket surgery.

 

If you make non-violent things such as drugs crimes and you start randomly frisking more people on the black part of town, what will naturally happen to the incarceration rate?

 

They're already illegal and have been since I was a kid. I've been waiting for legal marijuana since 1976. I've also been smoking it since 1976, knowing it's illegal. If I'm arrested for it, I'm at fault. And I can admit that. I've had to a couple of times already.

It's not like this stuff just became illegal out of the blue. Also, don't you think the real issue here is the fact that we even have non-diverse neighborhoods serving as crime factories? How does it happen? How is it even possible to have a "black part of town" anymore?

What use is reliance on crime statistics without investigating the root causes? It's easy to draw straight lines with statistics.

Consider how many murderers consumed bread less than 24 hours before killing someone!!!!

 

Thread is kind of difficult to follow but my whole angle was that the societal bias is driven by socioeconomical disparity. So I was excluding the wealthy neighborhoods because I think that goes without saying.
The inner cities tend to be surrounded by businesses, schools, etc. and in many cases are larger city adjacent, so logistically it's going to to have a more concentrated police presence there than out in the boonies.

 

Not really. You provided an instance in which you showed up looking really skeevy and being turned away from the men's room. Your skeeviness was under your control. You could have cleaned up and probably had a different result.[/QUOTE]

 

Sourced from Federal Bureau of Prisons, I thought the exclusion of Hispanics was odd myself.

How do you explain the Asian Population being disproportionate in the opposite direction?

 

I relate completely Okie. It always comes down to "they look different" and "they are different" and over here versus over there. When I went through the incident which I mentioned earlier here, the service station owner allowed my hitch hikers to use the facilities when they were dressed as Rainbow Hippies. He denied me the same service, even though I am older than they are by decades, and owned the truck and camper rig, and was the fuel buyer, but had the unfortunate luck of being dark, with jet black hair.

 

Some things are really hard to quantify, so observations, impressions and anecdotes are about all we have to go on. We could simply compile a huge collection of those anecdotes from reliable sources--1,500 or so-- and analyze them statistically. It might be done experimentally, monitoring a sizeable sample of non-whites go about their daily business and another sample of whites do the same thing, see what happens to them, monitor the results, and then analyze whether or not anything other than their skin color contributed to the result. That experiment would be really hard to do. But if you could think of another way of quantifying it, I'm sure you could make your mark on social sciences.I hope you don't think, though, that if it can't be quantified, it doesn't exist.

 

I remember when Danny Glover wasn't able to get a taxi in New York because the cabbies were afraid of getting robbed by a Black man.