2019-nCoV Coronovirus (COVID-19]

Are they protesting outside hospitals? I thought they were mainly protesting by capitol buildings and like near beaches and stuff.

 

Oh I see, so they are counter-protestors, who may have hijacked necessary equipment from the first responders and are violating shelter-in-place?

What a bunch of dumbasses.

 

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Romanian police arrive at a gypsy village due to some Coronavirus drama but quickly realize that there isn't much that they can do...

 

Interview with John Anthony founder of AR2.0

 

Epidemic in waiting

 

Despite the protests you see on TV, 60% of Americans support social distancing. - The Immoral Minority




These poor souls are not social distancing.

I saw a sign in a different article's photo op that read something to the effect of defy fascist lockdown...

Can you imagine anything more stubborn, misguided, and counterproductive?

 

“Economists have tried to do that and we try to do that in currencies like the value of a statistical life … and those quantities enable you to think about lives on one side versus lives on the other.

“If you do that kind of calculus you realise very quickly that even with a very, very extreme epidemic, in Australia, we are still potentially better off not having an economic lockdown in the first place because of the incredible effects that you see not just in a short-run way but in many years to come.”


Economist’s ‘disgraceful’ lockdown view savaged

 

Would it be better to pretend that it's not an issue of contagion, death, and pandemonium?

Should we act like no one is getting sick? Or that it's just a normal part of life?






No. We should not.

 

“I reject the idea it’s lives versus the economy,” she said.

“It's lives versus lives. The economy is about lives. It's about protection of lives and human welfare and livelihood. You can make an apples to apples comparison although people find it difficult to do so.”


Interesting perspective.

 

60% of Americans support social distancing

That's not really a huge number is it, not as high as you'd expect.

It doesn't mean 60% of Americans of course, it means 60% of Americans that bothered answering the phone, doing a phone interview, continuing with it once they know it's an issue they care about

 

I think that productive society as a whole (including those who are out of work) agree with the experts. Social distancing, and by extension stay-at-home, are necessary.

And as the title of the website suggests, the rest are in the minority. The government ought to stand up to coronavirus by eliminating the threat they pose with intellect and immediacy.

 

Starting off an article with...

surely should make one take pause in regards to the rest of it.

 

indeed. I wonder why it isn't more at "90% of the country is in favor of social distancing" with a miniscule minority who oppose it. I honestly don't think it's because they have any of the foresight postulated by VG in his statement about the economics of a shutdown. It has nothing to do with that in my opinion. You have a group that's underprivileged and under-educated who are simply not abiding by the agreed upon response to the deadly pandemic. It's fucking pandemonium, and I hate it.

 

Oil futures negative huh? Looks like the market is betting on the end of the world.

Oil Futures Go Negative in Historic Rout

 

Think I will expand on that one, as I didn't read the whole article and the negative comments in the media

"An economist has been labelled “heartless” for her blunt view on Australia’s coronavirus lockdown efforts, saying the economy is also “about lives”.

Professor Gigi Foster appeared on Q&A and was immediately savaged on social media for her comments about the economic impacts of being in lockdown.

“I reject the idea it’s lives versus the economy,” she said

“It's lives versus lives. The economy is about lives. It's about protection of lives and human welfare and livelihood. You can make an apples to apples comparison although people find it difficult to do so.”

The UNSW academic raised her eyebrows when epidemiologist Jodie McVernon spoke about whether the question of lives versus lives had been considered in modelling provided to the government.

Professor McVernon said Australia had been spared the worst of the coronavirus impacts other countries had seen because of its efforts. But Professor Foster did not agree.

“What frustrates me is when people talk about the economic costs of the lockdown they often don't think in detail in terms of counting lives, as we do with the epidemiological models,” she said.

“Has anyone thought about how would you get a measure of the traded lives when we lock an economy down? What are we sacrificing in terms of lives?"

“Economists have tried to do that and we try to do that in currencies like the value of a statistical life … and those quantities enable you to think about lives on one side versus lives on the other.

“If you do that kind of calculus you realise very quickly that even with a very, very extreme epidemic, in Australia, we are still potentially better off not having an economic lockdown in the first place because of the incredible effects that you see not just in a short-run way but in many years to come.”

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And then the negative comments. We live in a world now where everyone is supposed to follow a singular train of thought or get bullied on social media. Now, the negative comments, all these people that are making the negative comments are dismissing those extra people in the years to come, that are now unemployed and won't be able to afford proper treatment for cancer, heart disease etc, and die earlier, all the suicides, domestic violence homicides, homicides from crime and so on and so on; all of which will affect more younger people than the virus would

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Simon Longstaff, executive director of The Ethics Centre, cut in and said he did not accept the premise of Professor Foster’s argument.

Viewers on social media also weren’t having a bar of it either.

“Gigi is a deeply dangerous fool who should never be commenting on public health issues – or the economy,” said one man on Twitter.


Steven Hamilton@SHamiltonian

#QandA I’m an economics professor, and Gigi does not speak for me.


ShiannonCorcoran@ShiannonC

Gigi Foster, economist, on @qanda. What a disgraceful and cold thought process this woman has. She’d go well in the US spruiking Trumpism. Has no respect for humanity, is all about the economy and the $$

Another said she sounded “heartless,” while an economist said he was ashamed to share her profession.

“Gigi” even started trending on Twitter in Australia.

“I can't believe what I'm hearing from Gigi Foster,” wrote another.

“There is no compassion. The economy is considered more important than our most vulnerable. Humanity lost.”


Prof Kerryn Phelps AM@drkerrynphelps

There is nothing “safe” about herd immunity in the absence of a vaccine #qanda


Andrew Dunn@andyops

Seeing everyone visibly groan the moment Gigi Foster said “herd immunity” gave me so much life. #QandA



Emperor God Whit Goughlam@leftocentre

Gigi is available for motivational speaking...at executions.#QandA

 

@Vanilla Gorilla,

You already know how I side. But I just want to say I do think you have a point. There are two alternates. The one that has been recommended has been done out of an abundance of caution. The experts on epidemics have recommended lock downs to stifle this virulent disease. If people would do it correctly, meaning strictly adhering to the stay-at-home, and being overly abundantly mindful of social distancing, we wouldn't have half the economic problem.

The other alternative is to do what Gigi is suggesting.

 

That seems pretty judgmental. I highly doubt all, let alone most the people at the Encinitas protest the other day are underprivileged and under-educated.

 

ok.

I just don't agree with their position, and think they're probably at least in part secret Donald Trump supporters who haven't thought much through and just want what they want when they want it.

I want to be fair, and I don't want to send messages of a judgmental nature. I am also frustrated that the publicity is going to them without an adequate response from the governmental bodies, like the governor or the police or martial law. It's all haphazard, and honestly, I fear for the safety of the general public who are basically adhering to this policy, or even the protesters themselves. I don't think they realize they're not only more susceptible to the disease, but also provoking possible catastrophe in terms of a response.