Land O Lakes removes "Racist" native girl from packaging

The initial misunderstanding doesn't have to be a big deal. The issue is now that you get pissed off because she took offense of your banter.
So, its good you clarified it as you did. But she can still take offense. We (as in this instance people that are part of the white majority) do not decide if someone else is being wrongly offended or not. We can only make clear how it was intended. If you have a problem with her being offended its clear this problem is not only or primarily caused by her

 

I'm not pissed off nor do I have a problem. Just saying how it is on my part, just stating my feelz. Like I said, if I can't have a bit of harmless fun, what's the point.

 

You can, but you don't get to decide how other people react to it. That you now seem to perceive it as such a reaction is obstructing you in having a bit of harmful fun actually makes clear you take some issue.
The issue (how little it may be) is not only that she took offense or misunderstood you. It's also that you feel everybody incl her should take your fun as fun. Or at least not take offense/find it offensive. Which is unlikely to happen and unneccesary to demand/insist.
It actually implies you lack(ed) both misunderstanding in each other here, yet you put it as only her misunderstanding is wrong That was my point

 

Someone wants to say something to me then I'm gonna say it like it is on my part. I don't see how that's a clear indication I take an issue with anything at all. She asked me a question, I responded whole heartedly.

Not my burden, don't care, moving on.

 

I think your lack of care on this says it all. You want to be understood when you make such remarks, but don't care about the one who took offense because hey, she shouldn't anyway.
I think this is called having your cake and eating it too (while being oblivious to it. Something that is common in these discussions for those who are part of the white majority and care most or only about they themselves being understood clearly)

 

If anybody is eating cake it's you because you had to stick your nose in other people business.

Regardless, no I don't think that just because I'm white that I want to be understood. Ffs, I wrote my remark because I had no self awareness of the people that might read it. I think that speaks more volumes than you realise, for that split second, people were just.. people. No race, no culture, no nothin'. Just couple of folks have a chin-wag. And also in that moment, I shouldn't have had to even think about editing my post to say I was kidding around because right there and then, Irm looked at everybody as a whole. And tbh I even felt stupid saying I was kidding around.

Also, I don't give a fuck what anybody drives I'm gonna put shit on 'em for it 'cause that's the type of person I am. Even if someone drives a Ford like me I'll be like

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Someone tells me they like Mercedes.. o0o0o0o fancy fucken German shit.

That's what any bantering motor enthusiast or Motorsports fan would do, what do you think we do all day in the stands with each other? lol.

So no. I'm not bothered by the remark or it being understood, the person who I was talking to understood it, the person I wasn't talking to but I thought might read it and go whaaa I offered a hindsight of just playful banter considering previous conversations, I found it highly improbable they'd take offense to the terminology of an automobile I used. And if that was offensive then I'm sorry, but I wouldn't deliberately go out of my way to offend somebody for no reasons, especially a dig at car manufactures. That's what got me, not the remark or how it was taken. If I'm going to have a fair dinkum crack at someone, I'm reaching higher than that. Until then YOU all know me by now, it's just banter. It's a huge part of who I am.

 

I'm not criticizing you for calling a car Jap crap. I'm criticizing you for how you deal with Bagels initial misunderstanding and her (remaining) feelings of taking offense.
Yes, you are having your cake and eating it too.

This is a public thread on the internet, I'm not dubiously interfering in your personal business, or in any way having my cake and eating it too by adding my two cents to it.

 

That was not the exact assertion anyway. It's not because you're white lol

 

I don't understand what you want from me. I apologized. I wasn't the one who ignored her all night/morning. I wasn't the one that went into her thread and tried to insult her by calling her Hitler, I wasn't the one who brought it up in here neither. I'm not a groveller. I'm not going to beg for anyones attention. I apologized for my behavior because it was the adult thing to do, if people want to act all toddler towards me then at some stage I'm gonna say what I gotta say. That's the way it is. And if we're gonna dish out words then that's what'll happen. But you still stuck your nose into it so don't play coy we both know what you're achieving here, but like I said earlier, I got nothing better to do either, so I'll play along.

Asmo not entangling his tentacles, weaving and reaping a perfect storm. Ha! that'll be the day.

 

This is really it. The whole basis for this thread. Calling this "racism" is foolish on its face. And yet, we still get all these racial "experts" who seem to be able to find racism in every box of corn flakes. What's next? Protesting the Gerber baby? (After all, it's white!!!!! Horrors!!!!!)

 

I don't want anything from you in this regard. I just respond to your content. First because I thought I saw where you two were going wrong and then because you responded to me and I felt I had to explain myself.

 

But isn't a Swastika a racist drawing too?

 

I was going to bring this up. But I lol'd and didn't.

 

See this is the part where as on onlooker what I really hear is "I'm gonna stick my nose in this".

It's all good man. If I don't get spoken to ever again I don't get spoken to I can't control that now. Yeah it sucks.. just is what it is now.

Not that I still know what I could have done differently, I mean her and I still haven't talked it out yet, you just decided to chime on in here.

 

You're merely disagreeing with minorities taking issue with their cultural identity getting exploited by the mainstream majority, and ridiculing folks who acknowledge their concerns.
I agree the racism card gets played too easily and is often abused, but to just set everything away as 'another exaggerated attempt to make something racist' is too easy here. In fact, by stereotyping it as such you're kind of abusing the racism stereotype as well: trivializing the concern to just another racist issue.

 

It was all good already between us from my POV. But you don't state anything meaningful in this post. I'm not sure why you made it. It looks like you think you're pointing something crucial out with my quoted sentence?
You decided to post some sarcasm in this thread I was already active in. It evolves in some drama. I respond in a way that relates to the discussion going on in this thread. You want to make it look like I poked my nose in your personal business. Sorry, but nice try

 

Native Americans are so underrepresented in pop culture. They are very frequently the victims of cultural appropriation too. It's very easy for us to misallocate certain attributes - a squaw wearing a chief's headdress or something along those lines, and to forget why that means something different than a chief wearing it.

I think it's important to admit when we've got the meaning wrong, and fix it when we can. Here, Land O Lakes changed its logo. Did they decide that the kneeling woman's skin was too light?



It kind of looks like a Caucasian woman wearing feathers in a headband and a deerskin dress...

I think Land O Lakes makes an important statement that if there was any question about the integrity of their company let there be no question. They do not condone or allow racism or cultural appropriation.

I'm trying to see how the logo was derogatory though. All I know is that using Native American imagery in sports is frowned upon or in certain cases dressing up in Native American costume for Halloween. I think that Land O Lakes understands that sentiment, and so they made a decision.

 

I'm basically just still bantering you about sticking your nose into it. just pointing out that hey you didn't even give us a chance to talk it through. Like we haven't spoken about it yet. so when you say "you think you saw where we were going wrong" well we hadn't even gone wrong yet because we haven't even talked about it yet.

 

You expressed a lack of interest in understanding her side of the argument because your comment in the other thread was made in good fun and that's how everyone should take it.
Which I felt like pointing out is typical. You want to be understood and make very clear how important that is to you, yet you seemed to dismiss her concerns as no way it could be a lack of misunderstanding from your side. You don't even care you clearly stated.

 

How can I dismiss her concerns when we haven't even talked about it yet?

She made comment about my Jap Crap comment.
I responded like oh did you take that seriously?

That's as far as we've gotten. Everything else is you.

So yes I don't care, because I haven't heard anything yet to actually care about other than you. Like I said, if I hear something back then I hear something back but that's not your concern.