The Donald Trump Score Card

VG

Can you back up these figures?

You ask a question then answer it, but where did that answer come from?

What is this based on?

The Vera Institute of Justice, a nonprofit research and policy organization, took more than two years to combine eight different federal databases into a tool that allows users to analyze arrest trends at the national, state, and county levels against a series of variables, including offense types, demographic factors, and solved crimes.

Their figure was that around 10.5 million arrests made a year.

Really not sure what your point is here. All the lefties that I know can have an opinion on many differing subjects at the same time are you saying right wingers can’t? They for example can think statues put up to what are basically racist traitors should be brought down (and I’d say put in a museum where their context can be learnt) and at the same time be against bad police practices and the alleviation of poverty.

Also it seems a bit rich for Social Darwinist based right wingers like yourself to be talking of concern for those living in poverty when their ideas have done so much to cause it.

 

VG

Ok lets step back a minute – to talk of solutions you need to understand there is a problems – what in your view is the problem – because you often seem to talk as if you can’t see one.

As someone has pointed out if it was just a matter of training the kind of aggressive policing faced by black people would also be faced by white people and as video evidence increasingly show that isn’t the case – racism isn’t new it’s just getting filmed.

It’s not about magic it’s about public policy

Where is you evidence for this?

Your evidence? To me it doesn’t seem so simple, simplistic and partisan

According to the National Council of State Legislatures, Republicans control both chambers of the legislatures in eight of the nineteen poorest states, with New Mexico being the lone GOP holdout. Nine of the 10 poorest states also have Republican governors.

Six of the 10 states with the highest median incomes are controlled by Democratic legislatures and six also elected Republican governors. And while Republicans control the House, Senate and governorship in eight of the states where people make the least money, New Hampshire is the only state in the top 10 that is totally controlled by Republicans. In fact, Democrats have at least two-thirds control in seven of the 10 states whose residents make the most money.

Republicans Control the Poorest States, Democrats Control States With Highest Earners: Report

 

Cmon you really think anyone out protesting is going to get tested? no frickin way

 

The Root "The Blacker the Content the Sweeter the Truth" no bias there at all wtf

 

We'll take our chances with a pre-Alzheimer’s Biden, rather than Granny Trump with his slurred and garbled speech, fragmented sentences, and
old decrepit man (in need of a walker) as he baby steps down the ramp at West Point Military Academy

 

California richest state
No, California's Finances Are Not Back In Black

“Combining California’s debt with publicly held federal debt, we estimate a total debt-to-GDP ratio of 125% (or 153% using the broader definition of federal debt),” California Policy Center report released in 2017 points out. “This level places California distressingly close to peripheral Eurozone countries that faced financial crises in 2011 and 2012. Portugal’s 2015 debt-to-GDP ratio was 129% and Italy’s was 133%.”

Democrat Controlled

California is the home to more millionaires than any other state

San Francisco Streets Are Covered in Human Poop. Here's Why That Can Be Dangerous

People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

San Francisco is one of the wealthiest cities in America, with an annual household income that's nearly double the national median household income.

 

Florida republican controlled
balanced budget is an amendment to the fla constitution
Florida state budget and finances - Ballotpedia

 

Cmon they are both older n dirt and both probably have dementia EITHER way its bullshit , neither of them should be even considered

 

Wrat

Ok are you claiming the information on the states is wrong?

And I’ll ask you –

To talk of solutions you need to understand there is a problems – what in your view is the problem?

 

Wrat

A bit disingenuous

The thing is that California has a history that involved neoliberal ideas on tax cuts that have hampered the state governments ability to act on the debt.

California’s recent budget problems resulted from the deepest economic downturn since the Great Depression. But the state’s difficulty in addressing them was as much a political crisis as a budget crisis. Since the passage of the notorious anti-tax Prop 13 in 1978, which capped property tax rates and made it nearly impossible to raise revenue through the legislature, California has been locked into a revenue structure that, outside of boom times, proves too small to finance the public services that residents desire. Several tax cuts during the late 1990s dot-com boom, and a huge $5.5 billion annual cut to the vehicle license fee passed by Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2003, only exacerbated this imbalance. The state also had to contend with multiple veto points that allowed the minority party to control the fiscal debate.

 

Wrat

But doesn’t Florida get more federal aid than California

Flodida - Net federal funding: $2,187 per resident

California - Net federal funding: $12 per resident

The number of people needing Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) to get by is also a good indication of the number of people living in need within each state

California - SNAP benefit recipiency: 8.9 percent (tied - 12th lowest)

Florida - SNAP benefit recipiency: 13.6 percent (10th highest)

 

Horse Shit

 

We don't have riots, don't have looting. What we have is Racism, Coronavirus, and a stupid tweeting moron in the White House.

 

I know that I do too. I drove a truck for over 36 years and saw them beat the crap out of some poor guy just because he argued with them over a legal point.

 

Full blown denial, ok, why not

 

It's all right here if you want to have a look:

United States Coronavirus: 2,183,598 Cases and 118,339 Deaths - Worldometer

 

Ugh, Balbus running around in circles again

Before I answer any of your questions, let's go back to this statement:

Show me anywhere on this site where anyone attempted to explain defunding the police in anyway, shape or form that would give you any kind of impression the "defund the police thing has been explained so often"

 

Policing should be about serving the public good but many neoliberal policies were about defund social services with the result that problems arising from that defunding were offloaded onto the police. The defunding idea as far as I can tell is to reverse that – fund social services so the police can tackle the things they should be tackling.

Social services to be effective has to be based on the ideas of ‘the most amount of good to the most amount of people’ - NOT on Social Darwinist and a philosophy of ‘life isn’t fair’ so what is the point in trying to help.

The thing is that the police are not trained for such social services and has traditionally been attractive to those with right leaning views.

In 2016 a survey of police officers indicated that 84% said they would vote for Donald Trump (Hillary was supported by 8%, Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson received 5%, and "other" received 3%).

So let us imagine if you had police officers with similar views to say Wrats -who recently shared his views on slavery - then that ideal of public service goes out the window it would be purely about self-interest coupled with a disregard for the wellbeing of others. Social Darwinist views are very common amongst right wingers, neoliberalism is built on its foundation.

In a philosophy of ‘life isn’t fair’ it would come down to ‘might is right’, of those with power and those that are powerless, I’s not about the public good, it’s not about been fair or just, or of working to make a better society.

And voters of a similar right wing political and philosophical viewpoint are likely to be accepting of such a system and that has basically been what has been happening in many parts of the US

I mean the abuses went on in plain sight, the militarisation of the police went on in plain sight, everyone knew about the ‘bad apples’ but those voters with a philosophy based on Social Darwinism and self-interest didn’t care because these things didn’t really affect them and when you view is ‘life isn’t fair’ then you don’t really care if it happens to other people.

Let’s just hope things can and will change

 

Here is a interesting article

Police Make More Than 10 Million Arrests a Year, but That Doesn’t Mean They’re Solving Crimes

Police Make More Than 10 Million Arrests a Year, but That Doesn’t Mean They’re Solving Crimes

“There’s a growing understanding that the problems of policing are not limited to a few high-profile deaths but are the result of a broader problem of over-policing,” said Alex Vitale, a sociology professor at Brooklyn College and author of a book that argues for alternatives to policing rather than police reform. “The solution to this is not making police arrests friendlier or more professional. It’s to quit relying on arrests to solve any problem under the sun.”

The thing is that social services are about trying to tackle the causes of problems to try and stop them from escalating, without them in place you are more likely to see the police having to deal with the symptoms of those problems.

And many police officers do not have the mindset or inclination to see such things as the result social problems rather they see them as a criminal matter. They are likely to exacerbate a problem rather than limit it.

Their inclination is to arrest rather than talk.

Among the most common causes for arrest are low-level offenses like “disorderly conduct” and a broad, largely unexplained category the FBI refers to as “all other offenses,” which can include a variety of non-traffic offenses, violations of local ordinances, and civil violations like failure to pay fines or child support. Together with drug violations, these offenses account for more than 80 percent of arrests, while serious, violent offenses make up less than 5 percent of arrests.

“We really want to see a national conversation about whether or not this is a good use of resources,” said Neusteter. “Are we potentially creating more harm than good by arresting people for what are essentially really low-level, trivial offenses?”

 

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