2019-nCoV Coronovirus (COVID-19]

What worries me about the whole thing is the lack of honesty, Monday, wear gloves and mask at all times when out, Tuesday, don't wear gloves their bad for you, Wednesday, a vaccine is only weeks away, Thursday, a vaccine may never be found, Friday, everywhere will be open soon, Saturday, we may have to start closing places again, and on and on it goes. Boris Johnson is behaving like a child that has learned a new word and has to keep using it, we had Boris's Bubble, clearly a stupid idea, to control infection we all have a bubble with someone, I can have a bubble with Dave, but dave can also have a bubble with Steve, Steve meanwhile can have a bubble with Debbie, Debbie can have a bubble with Sue, and on it goes, the only question is how the hell is this supposed to stop the infection, it won't.
Then we had to re-introduce lockdowns, a lot of it because certain people (muslims) didn't follow the rules, then we get those same muslims kicking of because it's going to bugger up their Eid celebrations!
I just wish people would be honest and stop telling lies, if the powers that be actually stood up and said "look it's like this, we've no idea how best to deal with covid or when or if there's going to be a cure" then people would probably be more careful, lying isn't helping anyone is it!

 

The Philippines are prone to typhoons this time of the year.


Should they experience another one like they did in May during the lock-down, it could be a catastrophe

 

I don't know if that's really an accurate depiction of the way it's being handled though. I don't think they're really lying to us. The impression that I get is they're hedging their bets by portraying the sort of 'worst-case scenario' as the absolute.

While it isn't the absolute/end-all/truth-be-told factual version, I think that the worst-case scenario does the best job of uniting people against the virus. You're from England I gather. What I've seen from many of my English friends online is they're wanting to travel. They feel the quarantine is an inconvenient blockade to their ordinary happenings... I think of it more as an inconvenient necessity*

That said, I recall initially learning that a mask would be a bad thing. And that was from the CDC (Center for Disease Control) if memory serves!

 

Yes, I am indeed from England, it's not the case with most of us that we see it as an inconvenience, it's more that as I said, we feel there's no truth or honesty, or even consistency in what we're told. we've even been told one thing in the morning news and had it contradicted in the evening news, a classic one was masks, now they are something I know about. In the begining we were told, correctly, that only masks rated as FP3 offered any protection, any others were useless, this again is fact, now they want us all to wear masks and they are saying that the cheap ones like those used when sanding wood at home will work, but they won't. This then leads people who don't know better to think that wearing a piece of paper makes them safe and they get far to close to others. As an example, sometimes at work I have to work with hazardous substances, (biohazard), now the legislation and manufacturers state quite rightly, that I must wear a mask with certain filters, currently £30 for a pair, If I don't wear these then not only am I putting my health at risk, but I can also be prosecuted! These filters also offer protection from Covid by the way, now if it is true, as they are trying to make us believe, that a mask costing about £1 will protect me from Covid, then why when I am at work must I use a set of filters costing 30 times as much, see where I'm coming from? It's like the lockdown, people over here are totally fed up with everywhere being closed and being told they can't visit relatives (I've not seen my grandkids in months) yet they are still allowing people in from abroad, not only doesn't it make sense, it defeats the object of the exercise.

 

that isn't the consensus that I have experienced, but I don't talk to lots of Britons; only observe what they post on another site. And even that is subject to question because they are all members of the dance music subculture that tends to want to go visit the Balearic islands once or twice a year. They probably exaggerate a little... but anyway

I think that the level of protection offered by your more expensive work-mask is likely higher than that of an ordinary $1 face-mask. I do see where you're coming from. But while the inconsistencies are frustrating, a little common sense lets us see through that.

I have felt from the get go that the best move I could make was to copy what doctors and nurses do when they are faced with confronting infectious viral patients. They cover up. The CDC was saying not to worry (*probably to conserve masks.. the dogs), but I figured "why not wear one" anyway. Because isn't that what doctors are doing? They deal with infectious hazardous things all the time, and don't usually get sick by taking the right precautions.

I am only a little tired of things not being open. I think it's both a blessing and a curse. For instance I learned that I don't need to work out at a gym. I can jog again. That's a really cool thing for me.

I feel for you about your grandkids. It's going to be a long haul, but we can do it. I think we're in it until there's a vaccine. And of course there are smart phones that allow us to "facetime" or video-phone with each other. That's always an alternative; though not exactly the same. My mom and dad say the rosary (I don't know if that's a Catholic artifact or not... *we're Catholic) with my cousin and aunt via Zoom (an app) or Duo (the other app that does approximately the same thing).

Anyway.... I feel ya. We gotta keep on keepin' on.

 

Yeah, some people have been really good, helping each other out, looking out for the old folks and stuff, even just saying "hi" to strangers, I hope that when it's all over things like this carry on, I'm from an age where saying "good morning" to a stranger was perfectly normal, a sort of good manners thing, a lot of the young ones look at you though like you've just made an obscene suggestion, it must be an age thing. lol

 

Virgin Atlantic files for bankruptcy amid coronavirus pandemic

Virgin Atlantic has filed for bankruptcy in the United States as it claims it will run out of cash next month without a rescue deal.

The cash-strapped airline filed for Chapter 15 bankruptcy protection in New York, a move that allows a foreign company with US assets to protect itself from creditors as it works to secure a private rescue plan.


Virgin Atlantic files for bankruptcy amid coronavirus pandemic

 

Interviewer: A thousand people a day in America are dying

Trump: "It is what it is"

 

Coronavirus: Sweden's economy hit less hard by pandemic

Sweden, which avoided a lockdown during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic, saw its economy shrink 8.6% in the April-to-June period from the previous three months.

The flash estimate from the Swedish statistics office indicated that the country had fared better than other EU nations which took stricter measures.

However, it was still the largest quarterly fall for at least 40 years.

The European Union saw a contraction of 11.9% for the same period.

Individual nations did even worse, with Spain seeing an 18.5% contraction, while the French and Italian economies shrank by 13.8% and 12.4% respectively.

Sweden's economy hit less hard by coronavirus

 

US obesity epidemic could undermine effectiveness of a Covid-19 vaccine

For a world crippled by the coronavirus, salvation hinges on a vaccine.

But in the United States, where at least 4.6 million people have been infected and nearly 155,000 have died, the promise of that vaccine is hampered by a vexing epidemic that long preceded Covid-19: obesity.

Scientists know that vaccines engineered to protect the public from influenza, hepatitis B, tetanus and rabies can be less effective in obese adults than in the general population, leaving them more vulnerable to infection and illness. There is little reason to believe, obesity researchers say, that Covid-19 vaccines will be any different.

"Will we have a Covid vaccine next year tailored to the obese? No way," said Raz Shaikh, an associate professor of nutrition at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.
"Will it still work in the obese? Our prediction is no."
More than 107 million American adults are obese, and their ability to return safely to work, care for their families and resume daily life could be curtailed if the coronavirus vaccine delivers weak immunity for them.
In March, still early in the global pandemic, a little-noticed study from China found that heavier Chinese patients afflicted with Covid-19 were more likely to die than leaner ones, suggesting a perilous future awaited the US, whose population is among the heaviest in the world.

Covid-19 vaccines in America could be undermined by the obesity epidemic - CNN

 

The new new normal:

Southwest Airlines cuts back on Covid-19 cleanings to speed up flight turnarounds

(CNN) — Southwest Airlines is throttling back on its passenger cabin cleaning procedures instituted because of the Covid-19 pandemic.
The changes -- such as no longer sanitizing seat belts between flights -- will reduce the time aircraft spend on the ground between flights, the airline told flight attendants in a memo obtained by CNN. Deep overnight cleanings will continue.

Southwest Airlines cuts back on Covid-19 cleanings to speed up flight turnarounds

 

Yesterday Southwest airlines stock was on the positive side..

 

Like I said before, Sweden gained nothing with their strategy. The economy wasn't saved, and their chosen battle plan (or lack thereof) brought with it an unreasonable human cost.

 

Did he seriously refer to him as "Consoler in Chief"

Oh, FFS

 

Dude, it was like 1/4 of the drop of the countries around them

 

US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, projects more than 173,000 American deaths by August 22, and former US Food and Drug Administrator Dr. Scott Gottlieb warned on CNBC last month
that the coronavirus death toll could double to 300,000 deaths by the end of the year, if the country doesn't change its trajectory.

 

Indeed. I think I can almost recall something about glucose from my biology class. It's either a food source for plants, a building block of life, or both. Maybe it's a structure common in cells or something - I wish I could remember!

 

EDIT: Music in wrong thread*