Will you take a vaccine against Covid 19?

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  1. Eric!

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    Yes there are worse people than Tucker, but it’s about time his mouth got him into trouble, along with several others. He’s scum and deserves it.
     
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  3. wilsjane

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    Epidemiology is a study of the progress of diseases, rather than viruses directly affecting the patient, then leading to pathogenic bacterial attack.
    The points that you highlighted were true, particularly the fact that vaccination will do more harm than good to a patient already affected by the virus that the vaccination was designed to build immunity to. The problem here is that in the period following vaccination, during the bodies adjustment, it is open to OTHER attacks as well. This is why a general health check is necessary prior to ANY vaccination.

    My main point was that people have been misled by covid as the primary cause of death being lumped together with patients contracting the virus during their final days.
    The affect of antibiotics being prescribed to cure bacterial attacks (such as a dental abscess) thus hindering ICU treatment for covid, have been ignored, as have lives still being lost by late diagnosis and treatment for cancers.

    As I am sure that you know, my speciality over the last 52 years has been in cardio thoracics. It is well known that viruses entering the blood can cause scarring of the heart walls and muscles, along with hardening, causing restriction of both the aortic and pulmonary valves. This hardening can also result in tears of the mitral and tricuspid flaps, mainly the former.
    We are now seeing reports of covid further mutating, I am one of many doctors who strongly suspect that these may predate 19 for up to 5 years.

    We seem to think that the corona family of viruses will simply go away if we all keep our masks on and have our vaccinations, This is not true, the life cycle of viruses is around 400 years. We still see the virus that caused the plague of London in 1,600. Fortunately we are all immune.
    In reality, it would be easier to kill every mosquito and rat on the planet than eliminate the corona family, since corona is present in almost all animals.
    Just like them, we need to develop immunity.

    I am sorry to be such a killjoy, but hopefully my posts with help to put things into perspective.
    Take a look in the history books, at what happened when the UK set up the East India trading company and nearly half of the English staff who did not follow the advice to return home during the monsoon season died.
    Even today, while we see a fairly linear mortality chart, the chart for India is like a camels back.
     
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  4. Piobaire

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    Said no scientist ever.

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  5. ~Zen~

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    No, we do not know you are a medical doctor. This is the first I have heard of that... "my speciality over the last 52 years has been in cardio thoracics." You have gone on and on many times about a completely different career involving theater management and engineering.

    You have us confused and this leads to doubting your story above.

    Vaccines work. Even you say so.

    Spreading fear and unsettling information about this subject makes it worse for people to make their own decisions, based on their doctor's advice.

    I know you mean well, and are highly intelligent. But spreading fear and doubts is what people like Tucker Carlson do.
     
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  6. Eric!

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    Well, I’ve heard all skepticism from a lot of folks I personally know that are in the medical profession, and some are saying the same exact thing Wilsjane is saying- and some are leaning more towards optimism that the vaccine is safe.

    As a former service member, I’m used to vaccinations, keeping up on shots, etc., but I don’t blame people for having a lack of trust, and waiting to see what happens with the vaccine.

    During the first Gulf War in ‘91, we were given an experimental drug that was supposed to help keep us alive during nerve agent attacks. We were supervised and observed closely to make sure that we took the daily dose of “the little white pills” known as Pyridostigmine Bromide (PB). Various side effects were experienced by thousands of veterans who faithfully took this drug, including myself. I’m still feeling the affects of that drug to this very day. “THEY” say that the drug is not responsible for the illnesses experienced by veterans.

    So, I can understand why people are skeptical, hesitant, and not trusting of something that hasn’t been around very long, but even with the experience I had 30 years ago (can you believe that shit), I still am more optimistic and willing to continue to get vaccinated. Nerve agent is very fatal and does pretty shitty things to the human body, and for me, COVID-19 was no exception. No one truly knows how severe the virus will strike each of us, but after seeing what I’ve seen thus far, I want no part of it, and getting vaccinated was right for me and my family.
     
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  7. wilsjane

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    It is a long story.
    I studied cardio thoracic surgery back in my student days, but then opted for a career in a somewhat different type of theatre.
    My somewhat unusual career in the film industry earned me the name of the professor, where a few people added the 'nutty' prefix.
    However, due to the gaps in my projects, other than my work at Heathrow, I returned to cardiology, where I worked mainly on research on new procedures, such as TAVI (Transcatheter Aortic Valve Implant). The reasons for the need for surgery played a large part in my work, were I worked with several of the worlds leading doctors.
    As you probably know, I also drove a London ambulance when my theater work dried up following the sickness and death of Richard Attenborough who funded much of my work.
    As you also know, I have advised many people on this forum to seek advice from a specialised consultant, when things seemed to be going wrong and their medication made little sense to me.
    The sheer vastness of the medical profession seems to have resulted in many people giving bad advice on covid and seeming to go along with the tide created by the media, without looking at the facts and the REAL reasons for the restrictions.
    Using this for political gain made me sick.

    PS, Vaccines are like wearing an overcoat to protect you from the cold. You don't need to wear them in summer, or when you live in the tropics.
     
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  8. ~Zen~

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    Yes, fear is there. But the overwhelming statistics seem to prove it is safe enough for use. If not a vaccine, what are we supposed to do, die off in masses with bodies in the streets like the Black Plague? Has everyone forgotten how bad viral diseases are?

    From what I have read the Pfizer type of vaccine is a new method, so perhaps we need to give it a chance before damning it.

    I am glad you bit the bullet and got your vaccine shots. It is proven to reduce the chances of you having to go to hospital if you do catch it. Save your life probably!

    Looking at the scientific facts and NOT listening to FoxNoise and radio talk shows is my advice to everyone.
     
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  9. ~Zen~

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    Thank you for the clarification, I am sorry if I upset you.

    I did not know these things about your careers.

    Thank you for the update!!!

    And also thank you for stressing that people need to listen to their doctor, and not disinformation.

    This is the message I want people to hear!
     
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  10. wilsjane

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    Very true, but most of the people spouting on the media are not scientists.
    The only figures that they understand are their viewing figures, so quoting people out of context is their speciality..
     
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  11. wilsjane

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    This is basically what everything that I have said is about.
    Looking at the TOTAL 2020 mortality rate published by the world health authority will help people understand that covid is not making us all die twice.
    I spent more than 2 hours posting the charts in a reply to Vlad and I did not get a single response.
     
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  12. Eric!

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    The irony of people willing to listen to Trump, whose vaccinated, whose whole family is vaccinated - and the fact that now he’s spouting anti-vaccine rhetoric because it’s the flavor of the day for the MAGA base, is beyond bewilderment!! He could literally serve donuts made from dogshit and they would eat ‘em all up. Fascinating…..
     
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  13. wilsjane

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    Drugs deve[oped behind closed doors by governments and the military brass should be seen as a war crime.
     
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  14. Eric!

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    Agreed. $$$ is so corrupt!
     
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    Everyday I take a dose of pyridostigmine because I have a very rare condition called myasthenia gravis. I don’t know if I have side effects but it does control the disease symptoms….drooping eyelid, trouble chewing, fatigue etc.
     
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  16. Eric!

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    It’s had time to improve over the span of 40 years. Those symptoms you mentioned are some of the symptoms experienced when attacked with nerve agent.
     
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  17. wilsjane

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    I feel that the covid vaccine is safe and following my 2017 heart condition caused by an unknown virus, I have had the jabs myself.
    I am simply afraid that given to healthy younger people on mass, it may have a detrimental affect on their natural immunity long term.
    Doctors, paramedics and key emergency staff have been required to have the flue jabs for nearly a decade in the UK and many younger members have expressed their concerns to me.
     
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  18. wilsjane

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    I see no problems with medication when it is taken for a reason. It is random mass medication that concerns me, since it will prevent natural immunity that they will share with you and other people who need medication to save pain and discomfort.
     
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    Silly sod !!! - if that was the case what's your explanation for the Delta variant running riot throughout India - hmmm ???
     
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    I have had the Delta variant as its rife in this country( UK) as well . Unlike the Kent variant which spread South to North ,Delta is spreading from North to South .

    This is one an unvaccinated person does not want to catch . This is a killer . I have had Covid now 4 times and normal Covid is like a fluffy pussy cat compared to the Delta. This I have dubbed the Flu from Hell . I have been double vaccinated and I keep very very fit . I struggled with Delta on day 3 but I was fighting an ear infection as well . I have pictures including the Lateral Flow Tests and some graffic ones of the phlegm on a tissue just in case there are any doubting Thomases out there that I am making this up as a pro vaccine thing. I do intend at some stage to do a thread on it .
     
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