Is it time to talk about guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. Tishomingo

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    Overturning a precedent which was accepted as a fundamental constitutional right for over fifty years (Roe)is unprecedented. Concealed carry was never established as a fundamental right. Once again, Scalia specifically cites "the majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues. See, e.g., State v. Chandler, 5 La. Ann., at 489–490; Nunn v. State, 1 Ga., at 251; see generally 2 Kent *340, n. 2; The American Students’ Blackstone 84, n. 11 (G. Chase ed. 1884)."
     
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  2. Toecutter

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    Do you see any of this in my questions ?

    Post #2171
     
  3. Flagme15

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    Just answer the question.
     
  4. MeAgain

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    I see you haven't answered my questions.
     
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  5. MeAgain

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    Abortion was not seen as a right by Roe v Wade. The right to privacy, as guaranteed by the constitution, was instead held to include a woman's right to a private abortion.

    Laws against abortion and contraception were seen as an infringement of that right to privacy.
    With the overturning of Wade, privacy rights of women and men will be compromised.

    Of course abortion isn't mentioned in the Constitution but if it is denied, while auto loading firearms or concealed carry also isn't mentioned in the Constitution but allowed....there is no contradiction.

    This is one of the points I made awhile back, the inability to see contradictions.
     
  6. mcme

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    I agreed with the first quote. What questions haven't I answered?
     
  7. Tishomingo

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    No. Just the ones who oppose any reasonable regulations on the use of firearms, from background checks through limits on concealed carry and semiautomatics. And in particular, the glinty-eyed ones in Texas who booed Sen Cornyn for daring to consider any limits reasonable compromise on the gun issue.
     
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  9. Tishomingo

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    The recent decision says traditional uses. That would mean muskets, wouldn't it.
     
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  10. Tishomingo

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    Your persistent refusal to address the arguments suggests either inability to comprehend them or a dodge. Citing facts, facts, and more facts is meaningless if they have no direct bearing on the issues.
     
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  11. Flagme15

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    umm, the gubment just infringed on your right, today.
     
  12. Tishomingo

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    But the courts never before interpreted it as conferring absolute rights or precluding bans on certain weapons. And the Courts did attach significance to the language about a "well-regulated militia". With D.C v. Heller, they stopped doing that, but Scalia went on and on about how it could reasonably be limited. (Read my posts supra).
     
  13. Tishomingo

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    Hate to break it to you pal, but your "free state of existence" ,has always been subject to the limits the law as interpreted by courts have set on it. Women found that out today!
     
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    After you Sir ,
     
  15. Toecutter

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    See post #2134
     
  16. MeAgain

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  17. MeAgain

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    Actually they supported the phrase "a well organized militia" but ruled that you don't have to belong to a current militia, just be alive in case you enter into a FUTURE well organized militia.

    It has something to do with time travel paradoxes.
     
  18. Toecutter

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    You need to be told that the most updated information from the FBI is from 2019 ?

    That bad people used various way to murder others ?

    I’ll break it down for you, beginning with the top used weapons

    1.Handgun ……6368
    2. Knives ……..1476
    3.Hands ……….600
    4.Blunt objects. 397
    5.Rifles………...364
    6.Shotgun……..200
    7.other weapons 840

    I did not copy everything on the list , but total murdered in 2019 = 13927 people

    As can be seen Handguns and Knives top the list.
     
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  19. MeAgain

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    And this also shoots down the need to prove your age when buying a gun ( a six year old will be legally able to buy a gun), the need to pass a background check, and the need to prove you are a citizen.
    In addition current situations are not allowed to be considered in relation to any gun law. This is like outlawing any current speeding law that fines you for going over 30 mph as no horse has historically been able to go over 30 mph.
    What it all boils down to is that the Supreme Court has been stacked with conservative radicals due to shenanigans by past Republicans, (remember beer boy and Merrick Garland?)
    They now have the power they have been after and will use it to get their way by contorted logic, bull shit, and fancy maneuvers.

    The law be damned.
     
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  20. mcme

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    1 They're severely restricted, not banned.
    2 If you want a fully automatic firearm, you can have one. Bumpstocks? Not really sure why but people are constantly trying to build a better mousetrap.
    3 Firearms are not a clear and present danger.
    4 I don't believe you're interpreting that decision properly. Your view is at odds with my personal experience and 2.5 centuries of American history.
     
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