Natural rights: Do they exist? Where do they come from? Are they relevant today?

"On your faces before Pharaoh, the living god Ra-Horakhty ,Lord of the Two Lands, High Priest of Every Temple! Pharaoh is Ra! Give obeisance to your Lord and god!"(.It's your natural right.)

 

Do you have a better measuring stick?


Happiness in that rhetoric was not just subject to luck or fortune, but the making of one's free will. The role of the moods of the Gods, their bliss or fury was still an important part of happiness.Jul 12, 2018

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What was normal life like in ancient Egypt?


The people of ancient Egypt built mudbrick homes in villages and in the country. They grew some of their own food and traded in the villages for the food and goods they could not produce. Most ancient Egyptians worked as field hands, farmers, craftsmen and scribes. A small group of people were nobles.

Egyptian Life - Ancientegypt.co.uk
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Was ancient Egypt peaceful?


The ancient Egypt is considered to be one of the most peaceful of ancient civilizations -- so peaceful, in fact, that they did not have a proper army until the invasion of the Hyksos during their 15th Dynasty!

Ancient Egypt Warfare
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By comparison are there any nations on this planet America did 'not' go to war with?

Id say Egypt has the best track record running in every conceivable way

 

My my,
We've certainly come a long way from 1776 and all those precious natural rights.Ancient Egypt was a despotism.
.https://en-eipss-eg.org/roots-of-tyranny-and-despotism-in-egypt

 

are you trying to be a comedian again?
1953 is not ancient egypt and there were no pharos in 1953 afaik

 

I agree, and also the corresponding right to protect and defend our right to exist is a necessary associated right, otherwise we have no right to exist if we are by other humans amputated from the ability to take all/any necessary steps to protect our right to exist.

it not about a guarantee however, neither do rights guarantee anything.
True, nature guarantees us nothing, but it has given us 'by design' a natural instinct to survive. tish believes the human nature connections are not logical therefore cannot be considered.

yes our human nature comes with that built in but tish thinks its not a valid

freedom of religion for each person reduces those limitations, much the same the way the bill of rights is designed.

Not in the larger scope of things.

Doesnt look like you understand that mankind has built in features.

 

If you read the article,entitled "Roots of Tyranny and Despotism in Egypt" you'd see it opened with a reference to ancient Egypt establishing a long tradition despotism of continuing to 1953 and beyond. According to the author, Mohamed Fathi Elnad "Egyptian history,since the Pharaoniceraup to the present era, there is a common factor, namely, domination and tyranny or dictator.ship, except for a few short breaks". Seems clear to me.

Now tell me. Do you really think pharaoh is Ra? Do you think we should do away with the institutions of representative democracy and go back to divine kingship? Then why did you quote us all that pjazz about social contract, individual rights, and Locke, whose theory became popular as an alternative to diving right of kings? I thought Yahweh had some serious reservations about the Egyptians! (See Exodus)
And you have the temerity to talk me being a comedian? Your posts are specimens of Theater of the absurd.

 

Did you bother to read:

The History of Ancient Egypt: One of the Most Magnificent Civilizations in History -See U in History

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Planet Egypt: Birth of an Empire (S1, E1) | Full Episode | History


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the majority of historians disagree with you, sorry but the longest lasting happiest empire ever known to man was a theocracy! OMG! Theocracy!! Quick! Hide the women and children!

Help us oh great Stalin, purge the evil!

 

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ah thats good to know, thanks!

 

Oh please, it is when I posted 3 other citations in agreement!

Did you bother to read:
Was ancient Egypt peaceful?

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Ancient Egypt Warfare

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What was normal life like in ancient Egypt?

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Planet Egypt: Birth of an Empire (S1, E1) | Full Episode | History


tish is misguided, seems to have a big thing against religion and rights generally.

 

The History Channel, eh? Betcha you could find one of their programs tellin' you ancient Egypt was founded by extraterrestrial aliens. That's one of their specialties. Maybe if we drink the right kool aid we could get them to come back!

Far be it from me to challenge the impressive contributions of ancient Egypt, but are you serious? Are you bringing it up to suggest we should go back to it, that it had anything to do with natural inalienable rights, or that theocracy is the way to go? That's Batshit CRAZY ! I thought you were far gone to suggest that the U.S. has been off the track since 1819, but goin' back to thousands of years BCE just ain't gonna happen. And we probably wouldn't want it to. Your descriptions of ancient Egypt, filtered through the commercial lens of the History Channel, sound like the Garrison Keillor's lake Woebegon "where all women are strong, all men are good looking and all children are above average."

"Throughout the Early Dynastic Period in Egypt, there is evidence of unrest, perhaps even a division of the country at one point, and civil wars between factions fighting for the throne. During the New Kingdom Period, Egypt expanded its empire & was constantly at war. Thutmose III LED at least 17 different campaigns in 20 years." Ancient Egyptian Warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Egypt (Note: The former source is the one you said I didn't read. Did, too! Even the part you left out!) Egypt was an empire, and it didn't get that way by peaceful means. The walls of the pyramids are replete with battle scenes and conquests of its pharaohs, slaves from many nations being led bound before the great Pharaoh.The Merneptah stele of 1208 BCE records Egypt's victory over Israel, as well as the Liyans, Hittites, Canaanites, Askelonites, Yano'amians, and Hurrians. If you read the Bible, Pharaoh Neco killed King Josiah of Judah at the battle of Meggido. Recent archaeological discoveries show that the Canaanites rebelled against their Egyptian overlords.https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology...nt-jaffa/0000017f-e0af-d568-ad7f-f3ef37460000 In fact, Gottwald has advance the theory that Israel actually resulted from a peasant revolt against the Egyptian vassal states instead of the trek across the Sinai depicted in Exodus. BiblicalStudies.org.uk: The Origins of Israel in Canaan: An Examination of Recent Theories by John J. Bimson Israel’s Emergence in Canaan Either way, there seem to have been plenty of folks, such as future Israelites, who didn't think their rights were being protected by ol Pharaoh and didn't think kindly of Egypt. (see Exodus 7:14; Ezekiel 29:1-21; Isaiah 11:15;19:2; 20:3-6) I might add, for good measure, the description of everyday life in ancient Egypt by Professor Robert Garland of Colgate University, https://search.yahoo.com/search;_yl...+the+ancient+world&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-s&fp=1 He tells us that the average life span for ancient Egyptians was forty years, and that it tended to be quite precarious,, with poisonous snakes, scorpions and crocodiles.

Those rosier pictures you found in various history books are comparable to similar highly sanatized ones you can find of U.S. history that "accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative." (For citations, see Ron Desantis) And relative to the times, they aren't inaccurate. Egypt was indeed stable, peaceful, and prosperous relative to other powers of the day, primarily as a result of the endowment of the Nile and the Egyptians' ability to organize large irrigation projects which took a highly bureaucratized state under a system that Wittfogel describes in his classic study of Oriental Despotism (1957).Unfortunately, history suggests there was also a darker side.

Most historians describe the U.S. today (that awful, corrupt, despotic mess you love to hate) as one of the relatively more stable, free and prosperous great powers the world has ever known--although not as stable lately, thanks to the proliferation of people of your persuasion. I, for one, am proud of my country for standing up to Hitler and Stalin. It's a rough neighborhood, not the time to be trying to return to the Bronze Age. I doubt that you've convinced most of us that our rights would be better preserved under a theocracy. If God were really running it, that might be true, but that's never been the case. BTW, I do very much believe in religion and rights--just not the bizarre versions you seem to favor. You haven't told us yet what people would be administering your theocracy on God's behalf. Probably not Pharaoh or the priests of Amun Ra, I dare say.

 

Actually, most of them.

Your judgment is flawed, so what you'd say doesn't count. For evidence to the contrary, see post #233.

 

I posted at least 4 citations that contradict yours, appears consensus leans more toward me than you.

 

Only in your mind.

 

and off course in the minds of the historians I cited

 

Do they exist?

No.

We have the "right" to do anything we want - until someone or something stops us.

 

sounds pretty natural to me!

 

Sure. We naturally have no rights.