The Joseph R. Biden Score Card

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  1. Shy0ne

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    They are tax exemptions like it or not.
    The only thing that qualifies as a 'loophole' is when something is not allowed in the tax code, and good luck finding a 'real' loophole.

    Your citations are simply metaphors and euphemisms for LEGAL tax 'exemptions'

    IOW Exemptions are 100% legal and are not loopholes in tax law.

    What Are Tax Exemptions?

    Written by a TurboTax Expert • Reviewed by a TurboTax CPA
    Updated for Tax Year 2017 • February 13, 2023 06:25 PM

    Tax exemptions come in many forms, but one thing they all have in common is they either reduce or entirely eliminate your obligation to pay tax. Most taxpayers are entitled to an exemption on their tax return that reduces your tax bill in the same way a deduction does. Federal and state governments frequently exempt organizations from income tax entirely when it serves the public, such as with charities and religious organizations.
    What Are Tax Exemptions? - TurboTax Tax Tips & Videos
     
  2. Shy0ne

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    Here you go! LMAO

    Tax Loopholes That Could Save You Thousands

    Some tax loopholes come in the form of tax credits designed specifically for lower-income taxpayers.

    Two types of credits are available:

    • Refundable credits: Enable taxpayers to receive refund of credit amount that exceeds the taxpayer’s tax liability

    • Nonrefundable credits: Enable taxpayers to reduce their tax liability but only to the amount of tax owed — excess credit is forfeited, not refunded
    Low-income earners are eligible for both types, including the following three credits.

    Tax loopholes for low-income earners

    • 1. American Opportunity Tax Credit
    • 2. Saver’s Tax Credit
    • 3. Earned Income Tax Credit

      Tax Loopholes for the Middle Class


    • 4. Mortgage Interest Deduction
    • 5. Lifetime Learning Credit
    • 6. Child Tax Credit
    • 7. Retirement Savings Accounts
    • 8. Cash Charitable Deductions
    • 9. Capital Gains Tax
    • 10. High-Income Mortgage Interest Deduction
    • 11. Carried Interest Loophole
      Tax Loopholes That Could Save You Thousands | GOBankingRates

    Legal exemptions, not loopholes in the law.

    Either that or everyone gets loopholes including low income and poor LOL
     
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  3. Eric!

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    George Carlin was brilliant!!!
     
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  4. MeAgain

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    The difference is the amount of the deductions and the scale available.
    From your citation we poor people are entitled to an educational deduction of $2,500, if we are attending a school of higher learning, a deduction on interest due on a mortgage (the richer you are and the bigger the mortgage the bigger the deduction), a $2,000 deduction on a 401K if you aren't a student (this would void the educational deduction), $560.00 for earned income, $2,000 for lifetime learning if you spent $10,000 on qualifying expenses (but this voids the educational deduction), $1,500 per child until age 16, and $500 for other dependents, tax deferred retirement accounts (you still pay taxes on the amount at age 59 1/2), and finally charitable contributions.
    So about $3,000 per year plus mortgage interest deductions and dependents, if you have any. All this if the total amount is greater than the standard deduction, which it only is if you have the income to spend the money to get the deductions to exceed the standard deduction.

    They lose the educational deduction if they make over $90,000 a year ($180,00 filing jointly),and a reduction in the saver's deduction if you earn over $56,000. If you earn over $16,480 you loose the $560 earned income, (cause earning $16,480 is big bucks!), etc.
    Minimal deductions in comparison to how much the rich can save with their special deductions.
    For those with excess money to spend there are capital gains deductions, which benefits the rich (the more you spend the more you save) high income mortgage deductions (you save more on a million dollar mortgage), and carried interest deductions which are available only to venture capitalists, hedge fund managers and partners in private equity firms, which can reduce a taxable income on $1,000,000 from $408,000 to $238,000.

    And that's just some of the benefits of being rich as shown in your link.
     
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  5. Twogigahz

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    But meanwhile, the last administration decided to kill off all my small business deductions. I have to drive the crap out of my personal car for my job - but since I am not a 1099 employee, I guess I don't deserve deducting those legitimate business miles anymore. It's substantial....20,000 miles is a lot of wear and tear and the tax deduction at least helped.
     
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  6. Tishomingo

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  7. Twogigahz

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    Oh, come on....only the little people pay their fair share of taxes......
     
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  8. Shy0ne

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    The biggest difference is that wealthy people govern and manage their money completely differently than a 20 yo party animal who has no clue what the tax code even is.

    People forget this country was designed around commerce, the more you grow the more it benefits the numbers the more incentive they give you to grow more.

    What I disagree with is these government actors using their position to increase their wealth. Id say fauci, but in his case I think he is more of a patsy than some of the main stage characters in this show.

    Then there is this:

    Who pays the most taxes rich or poor?

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    The top 10 percent of earners paid 74 percent of all income taxes and the top 25 percent paid 89 percent.

    Altogether, the top fifty percent of filers earned 89 percent of all income and were responsible for 97.7 percent of all income taxes paid in 2020.


    Who Pays Income Taxes? - Foundation
    https://www.ntu.org › foundation › tax-page › who-pays...
     
  9. Shy0ne

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    BUT:

    tax avoidance is perfectly legal. IRS regulations allow eligible taxpayers to claim certain deductions, credits, and adjustments to income. For instance, some homeowners can claim a deduction for interest they pay on a home mortgage. Working parents may be able to claim a credit for child-care expenses.


    The Difference Between Tax Avoidance and Tax Evasion - IRS
    IRS (.gov)
    https://apps.irs.gov › media › ws_ans_thm01_les03




    Granted I do see the word evasion used, accused and abused, but I dont see any tax evasion convictions, got any facts to share with us?
     
  10. Shy0ne

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    First blush, I agree thats appears to be unfair, as are other things I could site about being an 'employee'. This country wants proprietors and entrepreneurs.
     
  11. Tishomingo

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    Figures don't lie, but liars can figure! Bump that top cutoff to 1% and see how it comes out!
     
  12. Tishomingo

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    You miss the point. Whether or not it's "perfectly legal", it's perfectly outrageous that a billionaire should pay less taxes than I do. You're simply an apologist for an inequitable status quo.
     
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  13. MeAgain

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    The top 10% own 89% of all U.S. stocks, the top 1% earned over $6.5 trillion during the pandemic, "The total wealth of the top 1% now tops 32%, a record, according to the Fed data." ~ 1.
    Jeff Bezos richest man in the world, worth $177 billion, paid no taxes at all in 2007 and 2011.
    Elon Musk second richest man in the world, worth $151 billion, paid no taxes at all in 2018 and $70,000 in 2015, and 17 combined.

     
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  15. MeAgain

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    Remember the tax laws are set up to favor the wealthy, so they aren't usually convicted.

    But here's a partial list of convictions for tax evasion, never the less:
    Walter Anderson
    Richard Hatch
    Lil Wayne
    Ron Mix
    Nicolas Cage
    Willie Nelson
    Al Capone
    Paul Daugerdas
    Wesley Snipes
    Martha Stewart
    Two Trump Organizations
    Todd and Julie Chrisley
    Kenneth and Suzanne Fusco
    Petra Gomez and Jakeline Lumucso
    Oleg Tinkov
    Joel Tucker
    Mike ‘The Situation’ Sorrentino
    Stephen Baldwin
    Ja Rule
    Darryl Strawberry
    Fat Joe
    Joe Francis
    Lauryn Hill
    Teresa and Joe Giudice
    Heidi Fleiss
    Chuck Berry
    Pete Rose
    Dolce and Gabbana
    H. Ty Warner
    Leona Helmsley
    Toni Braxton
    Marc Anthony
    Sinbad

    Etc.
     
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  16. Shy0ne

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    yes!

    Now if you want to claim there ought to be a wealth cap at which point any windfall has to go to the lowest income tiers in the form of higher wages, yeh, I can see that.

    Now you know why I dont fall for the their little money making scams like the covid gimmic, lol

    I feel very safe knowing its all a scam ;)

    BTW there is no one that approaches the wealth of the Rothschilds, the last 'real' audit in 1900 they had well over 8 billion in GOLD, good luck trying to audit them today.
     
  17. Shy0ne

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    sheesh, I didnt say people dont evade their taxes, I said there were NO CONVICTIONS AGAINST TRUMP FOR TAX EVASION in re: Tish's post! Please read more carefully, it gets really tiresome correcting a constant battery of strawman assaults
     
  18. Shy0ne

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    How does it turn out?
     
  19. Shy0ne

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    If ^ is true, then how can v be true or are you arguing v is not true?
    Maybe the reason you pay more taxes than a billionaire is that you lack creativity and understanding of the tax codes.

    They have excellent money management skills, or they pay someone who does!
     
  20. Tishomingo

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    Let's move that top cutoff up to 0.1%, who are worth almost as much as the bottom 90%. That's where the billionaires are, which is who we've been talking about.
    US wealth inequality - top 0.1% worth as much as the bottom 90%
    Never Mind the 1 Percent. Let’s Talk About the 0.01 Percent
    That's the category Trump is in, along with Warren Buffett, who told us he pays less income tax than his secretary. Between 1979 and 2019, the average income of the 0.01 percent of households, those with an annual income of 8. 3 million or more, grew more than nine times as fast as the income of the bottom 20 percent of earners.Income Inequality - Inequality.org Total billionaire wealth reached $10.2 trillion at the end of July 2020, touching a new high. The top 1%’s share of U.S income (and more).
    So what share of federal income taxes do they pay? Nobody knows, cuz they don't report it that way. But Buffett admits that for him it's less than his secretary.

    So basically the inequities in our society mean little or nothing to you, except that the billionaires paying less in taxes than their secretaries deserve our admiration for being so smart. If we could just improve the intelligence of the rest of the population all of us could be tax avoiders just like them, the federal government would disappear, and it would be paradise-- until the Chinese, Russians, North Koreans, whoever took over! Eh?
     

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