Climate Change

Discussion in 'Politics' started by David Vanzant, Jan 12, 2023.

  1. wooleeheron

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    Climate change is like the weather, something everyone complains about.
     
  2. granite45

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    There are many factors impacting climate…….
    Volcanic activity
    Earth orbit changes
    Changes in land use
    Changes in solar output
    Ocean currents
    Past climate
    Impacts from asteroids
    But the greenhouse gas issue is an overarching factor the is supported by real data.

    Past climate issues include the”little ice age” that led to the depopulation of Viking settlements in Greenland and many of today’s remaining alpine glaciers as well as the dust bowl years that led to record high temperatures that remain unbroken for many locations.
    Science does change and evolve…..for example geology struggled to explain contradictions until new understanding of plate tectonics evolved. That doesn’t mean we should just give up and accept a reign of ignorance and stop looking at data.
     
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  3. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    Agreed. But let’s also not whitewash the facts that there was a Cooling narrative in the 1970s. This idea that somehow media misrepresented the Scientists?

    Like ok…let’s unpack that a little bit. Let’s assume that’s true. What does that tell you about the media and what they say about Science?

    But is it even true? Look at the books I just posted. If so, how was there such a disconnect to begin with between Science and media?

    Could that ever happen again? Was it an honest mistake and nothing more?

    How were there so many sources saying that evidence points to Cooling?

    Why are we now saying there never even was this narrative? Should we trust that media?

    The media also told us in 2020 that Covid came from bat soup…
     
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  4. MeAgain

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    The presentation of popular books by non climatic science authors does not support your claim that there was a scientific consensus about global cooling in the 70s. Here is a paper by Thomas C. Peterson, a climatologist; William M. Connolley, Senior Scientific Officer in the Physical Sciences Division in the Antarctic Climate and the Earth System project at the British Antarctic Survey; and John Fleck, journalist and Professor of Practice in Water Policy and Governance and Director of the University of New Mexico Water Resources Program that explains it all.
    THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS
    But don't take their word for it:
    Cooling climate ‘consensus’ of 1970s never was: Myth often cited by global warming skeptics debunked
    Scientists never warmed to the idea of global cooling
    Global Cooling Myth in the 70’s
    ETC.

    To be fair many claim the opposite, but at best there is no consensus that the majority of climatic scientists agreed about a coming ice age in the 70s, and most agree that there wasn't.

    Brian Greene is a professor of physics and mathematics at Columbia University, director of its center for theoretical physics, and the chairman of the World Science Festival. Here are technical papers by Brian Greene. Technical Papers.
    Sean Carroll is a theoretical physicist who specializes in quantum mechanics, cosmology, and the philosophy of science. He is the Homewood Professor of Natural Philosophy at Johns Hopkins. He has published in scientific journals. Here is a list of his papers: Annotated Publications, I don't know if all were published in scientific journals.
    Both have written books aimed at explaining various scientific findings to the general public. I assume you have those types of textbooks. They are not peer reviewed articles or formal reports of experimental data, you should read them with the understanding that they are written by experts who are attempting to explain their understanding of the current thoughts and trends of their particular field of science to non scientists.
    They are not meant to be scientific papers.
     
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  5. MeAgain

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    I'm glad you never had issues with the site, I have.

    I did read the study, twice, but when I tried to follow or clarify parts of it by checking other sources on the web I found that the site had knocked my computer off the web, both times. I didn't see any links to supporting experiments.
    Please list the studies that replicate Dean Radin's paper and I'll check them out.
     
  6. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    OSF

    Quantum nature of consciousness – Double slit diffraction experiment in medicine - ScienceDirect

    Yes, MeAgain, before you say it, I do see this part for the first link:

    “OSF preprints are not peer reviewed and acceptance into OSF preprints is not an indicator of scholarly merit.”

    We are on the fringes of Science here. You wanted proof of replications so I provided it. It’s not surprising to me that mainstream Physics doesn’t yet embrace a Consciousness of Physics. Physics doesn’t usually want to touch Consciousness, and mainstream Physicists aren’t gonna automatically jeopardize their careers by peer-reviewing and giving credence to these ideas and experiments.
     

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  7. MeAgain

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    As I stated before, I'm not qualified to interpret all the data presented in this paper.

    However, if we read the abstract we find,
    It then goes onto say that post hoc analysis was used in an attempt to find different results.
    Under the heading, 4 Discussion, we find:
    And in 5 Conclusion:
    So what we have is a paper that does not replicate the findings, but does state that the formal findings were insignificant, subsequent formal experiments failed to replicate previous positive findings, the formal findings are open to different interpretations, and further studies are needed to provide proof of the proposed positive findings.
     
  8. MeAgain

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    The second paper needs to be purchased to review, I have no idea whether it replicates Radin's experiment or not.
    But we can spend a lot of time arguing over the merits of various experiments, so I'll assume you are correct.
    Brain waves, or thought, or magic, whatever you wish to call, it can alter matter.

    Based on that assumption let's get back to the topic of climate change.
    Are you proposing that the world’s most powerful Magicians could act as the world’s Battery, using Psychokinesis to activate the Quantum Tunneling required for Nuclear Transmutation at room temperature in order to affect the climate?
     
  9. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    The second paper’s abstract:


    The essence of our hypothesis is quantum properties of conscious processes as well as the possibility to measure changes in conscious attention by using quantum double-slit experiment. We supposed that the act of observing in state of focused attention cause a wave function collapse in double-slit diffraction. In order to test the hypothesis, 26 participants took part in the study divided into physical and physiological parts of the experiment. The purpose of the physical system was to reproduce the brain quantum process via hypothesized quantum entanglement. The physical part consisted of a red laser source, neutral density filter, double-slit diaphragm, and linear couple charged camera, while the physiological part of the experiment was significant for the physiological quantifying state of attention. Physiological data were collected by using 29 channel electrophysiological unit with 21 channel electroencephalograph. The study had control and experimental group according to dependent variables measured in the physical part of the experiment. The data in the experimental group were collected over ten studies (sessions). Results obtained in hypothesis testing showed significant increases in corpuscular properties of the electromagnetic wave as well as significant quantum entanglement between the brain and external double-slit quantum system. Our results also offer insight into the connection between the chaotic dynamic of the electroencephalographic signals and uncertainty in the physical system due to focused attention effect. We also hypothesized that the state of concentrated attention was highest during the first several seconds. The last hypothesis considered possible backward time referral effect of cognitive evoked potential p300.
     
  10. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    That’s the goal, bro
     
  11. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    Also, if this is all too fringe for you, I recommend at least looking into Roger Penrose’s Orch-OR Theory. While controversial in nature, Sir Roger Penrose is an absolute giant in Physics. He’s willing to stick his neck out here without fear of repercussions.

    But to be clear, this is an opposite model. Rather than proposing that Consciousness collapses the Quantum Wavefunction, Penrose suggests that the Quantum Wavefunction generates Consciousness, and that Quantum effects are happening deep within the brain. Similar, yet slightly different. But still related in my view.

    “Orchestrated objective reduction (Orch OR) is a controversial theory postulating that consciousness originates at the quantum levelinside neurons (rather than being a product of neural connections). The mechanism is held to be a quantum process called objective reduction that is orchestrated by cellular structures called microtubules. It is proposed that the theory may answer the hard problem of consciousness and provide a mechanism for free will.[1] The hypothesis was put forward in the 1990s by physicist Roger Penrose and anesthesiologistStuart Hameroff; it combines molecular biology, neuroscience, pharmacology, philosophy, quantum information theory, and quantum gravity.”

    Orchestrated objective reduction - Wikipedia
     
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    Things are not always as they seem. Nor are they otherwise. It's all there. Take what you need.
     
  14. MeAgain

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    So who are these magicians and how do we contact them?

    Will they work for free?
     
  15. MeAgain

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    If you want to get into the nature of consciousness, I suggest you start a thread in the Philo section.
    It would be most interesting.
     
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  16. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    Just going to leave this here…

     
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    So apparently we have been misled?

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  19. ChinaCatSunflower002

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    It’s not even fun to be right yet again. It’s more just infuriating that the masses will continue to blindly believe every scam imaginable and mock and ridicule you the entire time. It will change nothing.
     
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  20. MeAgain

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    What you are missing is that Gates did not say that climate change due to human interact does not happen, what he is saying is that the majority of human lives will not be affected as greatly as the effect poverty will have on those lives.
    He is telling us that due to Trump's war on the poor we must reallocate funds.
     
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