do you find it easier to be spiritual when doing drugs?

A messiah complex?

I don't think you'll gain followers in this forum. We dope head types are independent thinkers, for the most part.

You're inability to grasp the nature of spirituality marks you deluded; Solipism!

 

electric bhudda, what drugs have you taken?
what do you know about neurochemistry?

you make out like drugs take you further from yourself. what is yourself?

hallucinations are seeing thigns that arent there... but so is spirituality? seeing things that cant be touched or seen.
hallucinations come from your mind and so does spirituality.

being sober is just a state of mind that is adapted best for an organism to survive. spirituality doesnt help us survive particularly, neither do most of the amazing potentials of our minds, but they help us understand and make life worth it.

you know by taking the drug DMT, your ingesting the exact same naturally occuring chemical as that found to be in high levels during dreams, and during spiritual experiences

 

Drugs don’t take u further from your self, they mask yourself. (I cannot tell you what "your self" is, for im not you. Have you found your self yet? or just your social mask?)

We limit our self’s. we only look at the physical. we live our life looking through this tunnel only seeing what’s lays at the opening, where there really is a vastness of potential that is surrounding us... we are so ignorant and disconnected. we are stuck in samara.

"my inability to grasp spirituality marks me deluded"<- you must know my life story inside and out.
(keep making your judgments), and doing your drugs, but please be mindful. don’t fall into one of the three lower re-births in your future lives, its the way your going.
help your karmic balance

I’m not trying to gain followers. what is there to follow that im trying to provide?
Nothing.
Your essence understands that of which you have forgotten from when u were born into this current body. you will remember the ancient knowledge for your self...oneday

 

Its really unfortunate I have gone way past my personal welcome with how I approached this, there has been allot of judgment and allot of naturally inflicted harmful thoughts (weather there significant or not)
Non the less guided by compassion but using harm inflicting thoughts,
I have much to learn in the way of a bodhisattva.

I wish you all best of love and guidance to you future lives

 

dude how does having amazing potential or the fact that most people wear their social masks and whatnot, have to do with drugs affecting spirituality? it doesnt relate at least to what I had said.

dont be so arrogant to make out that you were humbly giving your oppinion and that people unjustly judged you.
your mixing up ideas and making out that everyone who doesnt have your view is under some social guidance. you yourself have been misinformed about the nature of drugs and spirituality, as most people are at least initially.

 

I do find it easier to be spiritual when doing drugs, but only certain drugs. In my opinion I believe that naturally occurring drugs can help you find yourself spiritually or at least they help me. But like [WayfaringStranger] said "synthetics like lsd or ecstasy are designed to give an illusion of spirituality" ...but you see this is just my opinion. I do very much believe that smoking marijuana is a very spiritual thing that's just the way it works for me. The thing is, this is only how I see it for me, I can't speak for anyone else. Everyone has to find their own spirituality and for some people different things bring out the spiritual side in them. No one should ever tell anyone that the spiritual experience that they have or have had is an illusion. You're not them... you don't know.

 

Electricbudda sounds like a fanatic-

he sits in judgement of things he has no knowledge of, and accuses others of acting like him.

He seems to be drowning in self-righteous delusion.

Imagine being 17 and thinking you understand all about life- ah, to be young enough to know everything!

Spirituallity has no existence without subjective man- just like an acid trip.

 

Every one has such strong views... I suppose drugs effect every person differently. When I was smoking pot, I was an athiest, the closest I came to spirituality was pot paranoia and depression. Pills? The think I realized about smack based pills is... They don't really do anything worth taking them for (in my oppinion), MDMA based pills just make you happy, and for me that was sitting remembering a happy time in my life. That's when I realized drugs weren't doing anything for me (how pretensious!) And when I came off them, spirituality flooded in. The world seemed to fit together (quite like most people discribe when they're on drugs).

In my oppinion spirituality is something you find with in yourself that connects you with everything. Spirituality and religion are two seperate things and rarely co-igsist in harmony. I think the high off drugs isn't spirituality, because it's not with you when you come down, and spirituality is with you always.

How ever; don't eat yellow snow

 

A proper hallucinogenic drug trip IS with you always. It's a life altering experience.

The difference between spirituality and religion is the difference between god and the self.

 

this thread could go on forever...its that age old argument...can psychedelics help us? or only hurt us?....all im going to say is for me they can definatly help. lsd set my mind and spirit free, it turned me on to my spiritual path and sent me on my way. i believe psychedelics have a very powerful way of breaking the chains and mental blocks that are the result of years of negetive programming, and for that i am grateful, as i am forever changed for the positive.

 

Wow you guys are realy negitive, when i made the post:

((((Its really unfortunate I have gone way past my personal welcome with how I approached this, there has been allot of judgment and allot of naturally inflicted harmful thoughts (weather there significant or not)
Non the less guided by compassion but using harm inflicting thoughts,
I have much to learn in the way of a bodhisattva.

I wish you all best of love and guidance to you future lives))))

^^^^^
I was refuring to myself making judgments NOT OTHERS making judgments about me (which there is PLENTY)..
IT was me saying sorry for how I aproched this..

I'm very turned off by how rude this has been.

 

All you say are toward me is completely negative and untrue. And are All judgments within them self.

how you speak about your actions toward spirituality are just as pungent as mine, and are just as much of a "self-righteous delusion".



WOW imagine being “as old as you are, and thinking you understand all about life- ah, to be young enough to know everything! (age is all in our mind, time is all in our mind. My age reflects nothing) Neither dose ANYONES AGE, including yours



Tell me what you "actually" know about my life and what i know and don’t know... YOU DONT, YOU CANT, AND YOU NEVER WILL.... SO STOP MAKING THESE FRICKEN JUDGEMNTS, its pathetic and just set out to make your self feel satisfied, or maybe you just feel good about your self when u put me down. but that’s not good merit.

…though I don’t think you care about merit, or karma




( before i was simply saying sorry for my perceived judgment and harm to others)... then you all just continue to attack me with senseless bullshit that means nothing, and looks fancy…… digging this deeper .. Hence me writing this)
Find your peace and solitude, love and compassion guided by kindness, (Because as you projecting its not that way.)



Love you all and best of light

 

That’s beautiful, and true,, drugs are that temporary mask, or escape and when there gone that sense of spirituality is gone..... hence it not being spiritual at all....when all of life’s endeavors are beautiful and spiritually woven through out every thing that is one.. which is everything.

 

Grow-up, EB!

 

this post has gone way off track everyone is just attacking everyone else's spirituality. Electric buddah, im sure you are a chill cool person with a good head on your shoulders but you are coming off a little to strong with your views. instead of saying this is how it is and everyone else is wrong, try saying this is what i think.

Now back on track to the drugs.

i think spirituality with drugs is not a hallucination. The things you see on psychadelics is puss in the back of your retna in your eye and the feelings you feel on extacy is just the dopeamine that is released every time you are happy in any situation. These are not imaginary feelings thay are real reactions in the mind and body.

 

My friend did Ketamin, and went to the toilet. She told me (afterwards) that while she was standing in the messed up toilet of the drug squat she rented with her spaced out friends (her words) she imagined herself in another life, and began to think that her current life was the hallucination. She kept flicking between the two, her current life, and the other life somewhere else.

When she told me about this I got quite upset for her.

As for spirituality, while on acid she thought one of her room mates was an octupus =) I think the level of drug spirituality depends on the person. She's not very spiritual.

 

i hate these arguments, because there is someone who is always willing to argue that psychedelics are in no way spiritual and it is an illusion. but what i have expirienced no one can discredit or try and take away. iv had profound spiritual expiriences sober as well as under the influence of certin drugs. and neither was an illusion. interpretation of immediate expirience is left to the individual perceiver, and no one else.

psychedelics have never been a temporary mask or escape for me....perhaps your intention in using these substances from teh begining were different than mine. also after the expirience is over the sense of spirituality does not subside for me, otherwise it wouldnt be spiritual. i'v been forever changed since my first trip and every trip since, and most often in a very positive way. so lets not make such bold gereralizations eh?

 

seems to me, if the unity is everything, it can be found everywhere. Including drugs, and the drug experience. Just different perspectives on the unity, right EB?

I voted yes, marijuana has been an aid to my spiritual life. It was a part of my "spiritual awakening" out of atheistic materialism. Not the whole thing, just part. As I said, it's all about perspective, and weed, and other drugs, definitely give you a different perspective. Viewing reality from another angle, now, wouldn't that be a positive thing? Lets you remember what "depth" means.

I'll add, though, that drugs are not the only way to get a new perspective. Falling in, or out, of love might do it, the death of someone, the birth of someone, getting in a car accident, or just tripping on a crack in the sidewalk...any of these might do it.

 

One time, me and three of my friends at school were smoking weed in our dorm room.

We had my futon pulled out and my roommate made a small little "campfire" in the middle of it, on a big ashtray with lighter fluid.

We all sat around it in a circle and held hands, and rocked back and forth and sang, to the tune of "Kumbaya,"

"Marijuanna, my Lord, Marijuanna. Marijuanna, my Lord, Marijuanna. Marijuanna, my Lord, Marijuanna.

Oh Lord, Marijuanna."

I think we were bascially all feeling very at peace with eachother and with the world, it felt very enlightening, and we were thanking whatever form of God each of us believed in, for the nice little experience and feeling that it was.

I look back on that as one of my favorite times smoking the ganja.

 

Using drugs to seek spirituality will never compare to using love. Afterall drugs only last for a certain time. "Illusion in delusion"