hey hey i was reading all the replys on this subject i was wondering is there a site online where i dont have to use credit or debit card?? I am 20 but my mom sitll gets my bank statements in the mail, and if iwere to use a debit card it would show up on the slips of things i buy saying plant u know at i think?? I was wondering is there a place i can do a money order or cash?? By the way why do u have to smoke it out of a bong rather a pipe? does it have something to do with the water?? peace star
Most sites that offer online purchasing will also settle for a check or international money order. =) Just send them an e-mail. You don't HAVE to smoke it out of a bong, but it helps, because it makes the smoke less hot, so you can take bigger hits. Since Salvia has to be burned very hot, it can get to be a problem.
hiraku why do you think it has to be burned hot? did I ask you before? I hope you don't still believe in the old vaporization temp fallacy: (from siebert and a metal plate and pure salvinorin at sealevel pressure) as soon as you draw on the pipe the vaporization temp is drastically lowered by the pressure drop - high school physics. bongs and torches are not essential and the heat from them is excessive for our precious lungs
Well, I primarily think it needs to be burned hot from experience. I have had a much higher success rate when using a torch lighter, and when trying to smoke it like Cannabis, I was never able to achieve powerful effects, even after several bowls of extract. It doesn't HAVE to be burned hot, you'll get effects if you don't, but you'd be wasting salvinorin if you didn't.
nah.. not true a short pipe and regular lighter with extracts 5 and up are just fine I get 40-60 hits from a gram of 10x using a glass spoon and lighter that way. level 4-5 each time. (~400-~450mics of salvinorin per hit and none wasted). you could be losing salvinorin on the chilled walls of your pipe! the torch could hlp chase that, but the expense is lung tissue.
Well, you could argue that, but ... from my own experimentation, my results indicate otherwise. Also ... 400 to 450 mics, level 4 or 5? I went and searched around Erowid and other places to verify my sources ... most research places tend to put level 4 or 5 at 750+ mics for the typical person ... and I find that, from a gram of 10x will last for about 30 hits. I don't know where you got that information, but it doesn't seem accurate, according to Erowid and sagewisdom.org.
i must be smaller than average (135lbs) more prone to the effect (long time meditator & frequent user of salvia) or extremely efficient at intake. (likely this is the issue at hand) erowid echoes the errors at sagewisdom, and daniel siebert is not a user. no harm in referring to experts though. I have used a less pure preparation and for about 10 months I thought that the right way to level 5 was 800 mics. then I got the crystals (99% pure) - carefully measured and put to cigarette paper - very evenly distributed and cut up. Nah,ahh,ah - for me 500 mics is definite level 5 and @600 put up barrakades cause I'll be walking somnabulistically, @ 700 I will have no recollection. I enjoy 425 mics- my sweetspot!
