Why not believe in Jesus?

Hello!
Yes, I am Christian.
And no, This is not a direct flame at you guys. I'm greatful for Jews, for without them Christianity wouldn't exist.

So tell me: Why don't you believe in Jesus? Any particular reasons?

Just a curtousy(sp?) question...

 

Why not believe in Jesus? Maybe because the Messiah (if there is such a thing) hasn't come yet...

Why don't you stop believing in Jesus? Any particular reasons?

 

I believe Jesus is the Messiah.

 

Here's a question

Why believe in Jesus?

Outside of the stories you've read, give me one good reason why you should other than its what you have been raised to do.


I personally view Jesus in the same light as someone like Martin Luther King Jr or Ghandi - that he was a loving and kind man, a leader for the cause of humanity, but certainly not an immortal soul different from other humans.

 

RAISED to do so?

My parants are New Agers! I was one. But I decided to follow Jesus, and they weren't happy about it. There are many reasons that convinced me.
If you want I'll list some.


But I'm asking the Jews. If you got a quetion to Christians, - post it in the christian forums!

 

Jews believe that Jesus existed, just that he was not the messiah. I agree with dhs that he was a great guy, but as it's been state by many people before, if Jesus came around today, he wouldn't be viewed as a savior. No one believes anyone when they say they're the son of God, they just throw them in a mental institution.

 

yes, i feel the same way about Jesus.

 

I wouldn't be so quick to say Jesus was a great guy, or that Jesus wasn't. We have no dependable primary sources. The gospels are filled with polemic against the Jewish people and stories that both defy the laws of physics and either fit into the mythical patterns of the Helenic world (woman impregnated by a god etc) or the ones set in the tanach (three visitors, etc) but if it is valid, he still doesn't make the cut. This explains what the cut is:

http://www.kesser.org/moshiach/rambam.html

Dauer

 

Mostly I don't believe he was the son of god because the whole story is outrageous and makes no sense to me...the son of god?! What the hell, the father son and holy ghost? I thought Christianity was proudly monotheistic.

I can agree that he allegedly said and did some good things, if he ever really existed, and if all of his actions weren't completely made up and warped to fit the writers of the bibles' needs.

If Jesus were truly as the bible makes him seem, he would not support modern Christianity, he would be starting something new again.

 

FIANALLY! A Jew replying!

So you say that the virgin thing was impossible? Than Isaiah Must've been a bad prophet. ( ISA 7:14 )

Thanks for the reply BTW!

 

No problem. I think you are wondering who that child might be. This is one of the things that requires a little context. In Isaiah 7 in the days of Ahaz "bad stuff is going down" (see the text) so Isaiah goes to Ahaz and says:

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4. And you shall say to him, "Feel secure and calm yourself, do not fear, and let your heart not be faint because of these two smoking stubs of firebrands, because of the raging anger of Rezin and Aram and the son of Remaliah.


5. Since Aram planned harm to you, Ephraim and the son of Remaliah, saying:


6. 'Let us go up against Judah and provoke it, and annex it to us; and let us crown a king in its midst, one who is good for us,'


7. So said the Lord God, 'Neither shall it succeed, nor shall it come to pass.


8. For the head of Aram is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and in another sixty-five years, Ephraim shall be broken, no longer to be a people.


9. And the head of Ehpraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is the son of Remaliah; if you do not believe, it is because you cannot be believed."


10. And the Lord continued to speak to Ahaz, saying,


11. "Ask for yourself a sign from the Lord, your God: ask it either in the depths, or in the heights above."

12. And Ahaz said, "I will not ask, and I will not test the Lord."


13. And he said, "Listen now, O House of David, is it little for you to weary men, that you weary my God as well?


14. Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel.

He's giving Ahaz a sign. So it has to be within his lifetime. And:

16. For, when the lad does not yet know to reject bad and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread, shall be abandoned."

Ahaz is involved in a battle right now, and before this child is old enough to reject bad or choose good the land of the two kings(rezin and pekah) he dreads will be abandoned. This is covered in II Kings 15 and 16.

The child isn't as important as the time period it signifies, but the young woman has been suggested to be a close relationship to the prophet.

Dauer

 

Also, there is no mention of the messiah there. And even if it was a messianic prophecy, fulfilling one doesn't cut it. Have to fulfil them all.

 

He fulfilled most of them. The ones about peace haven't been fulfilled. But that's why the book of revelation was written (NT, sorry), to prophecy the events before peace shall come. Which, according to it, seems pretty soon.

There's a warning there, that may deceive many, mind if I share? Or should we keep at the old testament?

Sorry for getting to the new testament...just thought I should oint out some things...peace!

I wasn't really concerned about who the child may have been...christians believe it was Jesus...therefore I do too...
I was just pointing out the whole virgin thing!

If you've got questions about my reasoning, just ask!

 

Ryupower, TheJesusDude is a great person to speak to on the subject. He was raised Jewish but accepted Christ as his savior and became a youth pastor.

 

We only want one. And he'll come back! Just you wait and see when all the people disappear! For no reason IYO! Hey- it may even happen this year!

 

This man acually fufills alot of prophecies from the OT yet you people reject him, do you not fear God at all?

 

Thanks, friend!
errr...sibling!

 

Interesting that a Muslim popped in and said that!

Isn't, for you, Jesus just a Prophet? *thinks of an idea**plans to ask Muslims why they think he was just a Prophet* *gets in more trouble now.*

 

Anytime sister