Women in today's culture.

Discussion in 'Women's Forum' started by Sunnie, Mar 28, 2005.

  1. Sunnie

    Sunnie Jes-Jes

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    I have a drama final project to do at the end of this term(april 6).
    It's a theme concert. We have to pick a topic or theme, and present 3-8 pieces of writing on it and through our presentation make some sort of statement.
    I picked women in today's culture.
    Here are some of the things I wanna focus on:
    -women have to be perfect to be beautiful as seen through the media
    -women have to be sex objects before they are seen as attractive
    -women as potrayed by rap lyrics/videos

    I know, I'm focusing mainly on the negative aspects, but I want to get a point across. Women fought so hard for equal rights, and now it's as if we are wanting to be seen as the lesser sex. We want to give up power and just be seen as pretty and sexy.
    I have some material for my project, but not a lot. And I figured some of you guys may have some on file already.
    What I have so far is a poem by Jewel, and the lyrics to a rap song by Eminem in which he kills his wife.
    I am allowed to use:
    -lyric
    -prose
    -poetry
    -journal entry
    -monologue

    Thanks for your help guys.
     
  2. Sunnie

    Sunnie Jes-Jes

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    Come on ladies!
    If anyone I'd figure you'd have something to say about this!
     
  3. ihmurria

    ihmurria fini

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    Societies self-contradiction stance on how aggressive and submissive a woman should be? It's a thought...

    Sorry, I had to read it a few times to understand what you were getting at... didn't sound like a question so much as informing about what you were doing ;) my brain doesn't process things well sometimes
     
  4. OSF

    OSF SeƱor ******

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    Feminist ethics.

    Look it up. The name is quite deceptive.

    It is one of the better things the fairer sex has brought to our sad world.
     
  5. cabdirazzaq

    cabdirazzaq Member

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    Behind the scenes of all these degradations of women we find the horroble misleading mischief of men. They have somehow managed to dupe many females into telling them that they are "liberated" when they expose their body parts but in reality this is just so as to please themselves. Hence, most men treat women in a foolish matter, either thinking them self better than them(due to arrogance) or using them (by enjoying their company and then telling them their useless)

    What ever happend to respect, modesty and tolerance?
     
  6. RetroGroove_Grrl

    RetroGroove_Grrl I'm a big girl now

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    But why assert all women as victims, if we accept that we are 'duped by men' then we are in many ways suggesting that we are incapable of seeing things their way, that they are leading us and that we are incapable of taking control of our destiny and ... I dont know about you, but I am no second to any man.

    Equallity all the way babeeee


     
  7. lawngirl

    lawngirl Member

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    are you going to show the positive aspects of the points you're doing? like when you talk about women in hip hop music, for example. while most of what is seen in todays culture is negative, there are some artists that support women's rights in their lyrics. also, when hip hop started out, people had to be able to move their equiptment quickly and easily. generally, it was easier for the men to carry a 150-lb amp up a flight of stairs than it was for the women. this is part of the reason women weren't as involved as hip hop artists originally. as time went on, more women became lyricists. i just think it would be a shame to ignore artists like jill scott, or jean grae or bahamaia. while it seems like a lot of hip hop today degrades women, ignoring talented females silences them and lables them as insignificant hip hop artists, and continues to keep them less popular, and their messages do not spread. women are strong! and hip hop culture is an excellent stage for this. it's not right that a lot of hip hop is degrading to women, so i hope you don't take what i'm saying the wrong way. despite everything against us, all the degredation, all the name calling, turning us into sex objects, etc, we can still hold are own and find that our voice is strong. hip hop is an excellent example of gender struggles. some female artists gladly go along with the idea that they have to be overly sexual and such, so i'm not necessarily talking about little kim here. some women call each other sluts, but pretending that all women do that perpetuates a catty stereotype for women. refusing to listen to a females voice renders her words unheard. there was some quote about how hip hop was like "the key to the locker room" for women, and for the first time, many inner-city women found themselves on an equal playing field by participating in hip hop. so please, when looking at hip hop, keep in mind that ignoring ladies like jean grae only perpetuates the stereotype that women are insignificant.
     
  8. eclecticsunshine

    eclecticsunshine Member

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    going off of what lawngirl said don't forget the pioneer women of hip hop... Queen Latifah, MC Lyte and the ladies that paved the way for an artist such as Jill Scott.
     
  9. Maggie Sugar

    Maggie Sugar Senior Member

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    Woman is the ****** of the World By John Lennon, as a good feminist lyric

    Paradise by th Dashboard Light, by Meatloaf, as an example of degrading females, and having it seen as "funny" and acceptable. This is one of the MOST degrading songs in Rock and Roll, and yet most womyn I know don't even realize it.
     
  10. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    What would be interesting is if you could find a lyrical form of degredation to women from every genere of music. At least maybe every mainstream genere. You hear all the time about how rap music degrades women, but not much about the rest. Is it a bigger problem in rap music, or do other types of music compare? It would make for an interesting report on the matter, IMO.
     
  11. kraftykathy

    kraftykathy Member

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    Not sure if this will help.


    Bata Motel - CRASS

    I've got 54321
    I've got a red pair of high-heels on
    Tumble me over, it doesn't take much
    Tumble me over, tumble me, push
    In my red high-heels I've no control
    The rituals of repression are so old
    You can do what you like, there'll be no reprisal
    I'm yours, yes I'm yours, it's my means of survival

    I've got 54321
    Come on my love, I know you're strong
    Push me hard, make me stagger
    The pain in my back just doesn't matter
    You force-hold me above the ground
    I can't get away, my feet are bound
    So I'm bound to say
    That I'm bound to stay

    Well today I look so good
    Just like I know I should
    My breasts to tempt inside my bra
    My face is painted like a movie star
    I've studied my flaws in your reflection
    And put them to rights with savage correction
    I've turned my statuesque perfection
    And shone it over in your direction
    So come on darling, make me yours
    Trip me over, show me the floor
    Tease me, tease me, make me stay
    In my red high-heels I can't get away
    I'm trussed and bound like an oven ready bird
    But I bleed without dying and I won't say a word
    Slice my flesh and I'll ride the scar
    Put me into gear like your lady car
    Drive me fast and crash me crazy
    I'll rise from the wreckage as fresh as a daisy
    These wounds leave furrows as they heal
    I've travelled them, they're red and real
    I know them well, they're part of me
    My birth, my sex, my history
    They grew with me, my closest friend
    My pain's my own, my pain's my end
    Clip my wings so you know where I am
    I can't get lost while you're my man
    Tame me so I know your call
    I've stabbed my heels so I am tall
    I've bound my twisted falling fall
    Beautiful mute against the wall
    Beautifully mutilated as I fall
    Use me, don't lose me

    I've got 54321
    I've got a red pair of high-heels on
    Strap my ankles, break my heels
    Make me kneel, make me feel
    Turn, turn, turn, like a clockwork doll
    Put in your key and give me a whirl
    Tease me, tease me, the reason to play
    In my red high-heels I can't get away
    I'll be your bonsai, your beautiful bonsai
    Your black-eyed bonsai, erotically rotting
    Will my tiny feet fit your desire?
    Warped and tied I walk on fire
    Burn me out, twist my wrists
    I promise not to shout, beat me with your fists
    Squeeze me, squeeze me, make me feel
    In my red high-heels I'm an easy kill
    Tease me, Tease me, make me see
    You're the only one, I need to be me
    Thankyou, will you take me?
    Thankyou, will you make me?
    Thankyou, will you break me?
    Use me, don't lose me
    Taste me, don't waste me
    Use, lose, taste, waste
     
  12. lawngirl

    lawngirl Member

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    yes, exactly! just focusing on rap isn't fair. i mean, you can look at riot grrl music and find lyrics that can be interpreted as anti-feminist. it's sad that hip hop always gets such a bad rap.. haha sorry, aside from my bad puns you make an excellent point.
     
  13. Sunnie

    Sunnie Jes-Jes

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    Thanks for the feedback :) :)
    Kraftykathy:This is exactly like what I'm looking for! Thank you so much!!
    Also, I'll be sure to check out the other suggestions.
    :D
     
  14. Lotus Butterfly

    Lotus Butterfly Member

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    I agree with those that said that you should balance it out with positive points. If your focus is on women in today's culture then there is alot more to it than just rap/hip hop. Although, Queen Laitifah, Jill Scott, and India Arie are great examples of the positive aspects, so are artists like Ani Difranco (she is such an inspiration to many women to be themselves and stand up for their rights).
    Also, I'm not talking just women....you said you are using some lyrics from Eminem. How about using him as a negative view towards women in hip hop and then looking to some other white rappers for the positive aspect, like the Beastie Boys. This lyric from "Sure Shot" is a good one:
    "I want to say a little something that's long overdue
    the disrespect to women has got to be through
    to all the mothers and the sisters and the wives and friends
    I want to offer my love and respect to the end."

    John Mayor and Incubus are also examples of male artists that give props to women.
    I like where you're going with this project, but do try to look at both sides.
     
  15. Morna

    Morna Member

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    the woman destroyed by simone de beauvoir. the monolgue from this.
     
  16. jungee

    jungee Member

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    This is an excellent post

    Women are strong in hip-hop culture, and you gave some great examples.

    Also rappers like Foxy Brown sings "pussy is power" and that is real. Feminity and the appeal of beauty has become an essential tool for success in a culture that is driven by image. Just look at the number of sexy female artists who are dominating the charts and magazine covers in the last years: Britney, Christina, J.Lo, Beyonce, and now Hillary Duff and Lindsay Lohan etc. Doesn't that say something ?

    Men are placed at a serious disadvantage in an image-driven culture, and it should come at no surprise that women are increasinly used in videos as ornaments. It's not only an attempt to degrade them, it's the way to sell those movies to a market that demands the presence of attrative girls to buy. Of course, a lot of this gender bias is rooted in homophobia and until that issue is resolved men will always be looking for ways to stand out and gain attention, even if that means having a "slut" or two hanging at their arms.
     

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