Vegetarianism Rocks - But PETA s*cks

Discussion in 'Vegetarian' started by Lonely Goatherd, Apr 6, 2005.

  1. Lonely Goatherd

    Lonely Goatherd Member

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    Don't get me wrong, I'm a vegetarian, but...

    Am I the only one who is absolutely disgusted with PETA?

    Their worst offense is comparing the slaughter of cattle to the Holocaust. Cow's lives are certainly valuable, but saying that the value of a cow's life is equal to the value of a Jew's life is the kind of thinking that caused the Holocaust in the first place.

    Besides that, they use excessively disgusting and graphic footage on their web site, which I think is disrespectful to the viewers. They try to lure in viewers by relying heavily on "sex appeal" in their advertisements, and then their videos turn out to be completely different from what the ads would make you believe.

    I foolishly sent away for some vegetarian literature from PETA many years ago, and now I am on their mailing list. I am tired of receiving unnecessary material from them - isn't that disrespectul to all trees they are cutting down to print the papers? :) Again, the value of a tree's life is not the same as the value of an animal's life, but it certainly has value.
     
  2. Loki84

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    I'm not too fond of PETA. I believe that a better organisation to speak in favour of vegetarianism is The Vegetarian Society
     
  3. Fractual_

    Fractual_ cosmos factory

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    what really is the difference between a jew and cows life? really though, where do you draw the line where you decide which ones life is more valuable, and do you really have the right to draw that line???

    i do find a lot of the tactics they use to be a little off, but they are just doing what they think is best i believe, trying to fight guns with guns...and trying to use whats proven to work best with humanoids with advertising and whatnot... i think their true to their cause and really believe in what their doing, and thats what matters...they really do seem to have a bad name though, which i dont really understand....

    and if you are bothered by their mailing list why not just unsubscribe? tons of companies have pointless newsletters and crap they send people..
    i agree though sordove, if you wanted to be updated or something they should email you or you should check out their site....
     
  4. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Senior Member

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    I find the meat industry much more despicable than the nazis.
     
  5. clockworkorangeagain

    clockworkorangeagain femme fatale

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    i think PETA is a member society with WSPA - which i work for.....i have heard some things about PETA....i think WSPA's better...but i believe if an animal is to be bred as a source of human food it deserves a good quality of life free from cruelty, and if they must kill the poor things it should be done humanely....

    a good petition to sign at the moment is with the humane society.....about the seals being murdered in canada....truly sick and sad!
     
  6. Wanda

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    PETA is listed on my list of favorite charities.
    Even though PETA does use shock tactics - some of which I wouldn't have chosen myself - I firmly belief that PETA is necessary at this point in time.
    What currently happens to animals is absolutely beyond shocking!
    PETA works extremely hard to do whatever they can to help these poor animals.

    Just check out the list of their websites to get a feel of how much effort they put into this. They do a whole lot more then just walk around naked.

    Feel absolutely free to disagree with some of their campaigns, but please, try to understand why they are doing what they are doing and also appreciate their tremendous work.
    Please check out their review of 2004.

    Last month I actually met Ingrid Newkirk for the first time. She is a really sweet and caring lady!

    PETA is fighting the good fight and they get my support!
     
  7. Elle

    Elle Senior Member

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    The meat industry and the amount of animal cruelty that goes on on daily basis is much more dispicable then anything Peta could pull off. The "graphic" footage that you see on their site is real life.....it's the stuff that goes on behind closed doors that we all don't get to see and I'm thankful to them for bringing it to the forefront and making us aware. Their advertisments are made to be eye catchers.....how else will they grab your attention? If you are not someone who goes out of their way to learn about animal cruelty and such then I doubt that you'd notice any add with only subtle connotations. And I think that is the type of person these adds target. Frankly I don't think anyone has the right to decide if a cow's life is more "valueable" or not.... And I think that's kind of the point. Having said that ~ I really like peta.
     
  8. Amanda's Shadow

    Amanda's Shadow Flower Child

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    PETA sends disgusting pictures to 13 year olds and tries to "gross" them out of eating meat. I thnk they should help them make nutritional menus, not show them decapitated cows!
     
  9. WayfaringStranger

    WayfaringStranger Corporate Slave #34

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    right there with ya. rock on for free thinkers who can see past this bullshit. peta is a scam to discredit us. f*ck the followers.
     
  10. Fractual_

    Fractual_ cosmos factory

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    also, if you notice, they give away soo much free crap... activist information, free veg starter kits, even a dvd somewhere if you sign up i think. and anything they do sell (posters,stickers,dvds,fliers etc..) is EXTREMLEY cheap compared to the prices of just about any other business... how can you say free shit sucks and is wrong?
    have you guys even been to petas webstite? its incredibly informative about all forms of animal abuse, and doing a lot of things to stop what they can as well. they really are fighting the good fight imo...
     
  11. culture_revolution

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    i share PETA's main ideas. PETA and i have the same pro veg thinking but I don't support them becuase I have herd (through the grapevine, of course) that the owner of PETA is profiting off this company. I would only donate to non-profit ogranizations, and i believe that it would be wrong for the owner to profit off of Peta, when they clearly give off the notion that the money that is being donated will be going to the animals, not into their pockets.

    i think the reason that some people can say that a human's life is more valuable than a animals life is becuase humans are self-aware and animals are not. We commincate in languages which make thigns like time and love real while animals do not have that ability. I am not saying that i agree with the notion that animals aren't as valuable as humans but i just think that is what some people may think.
     
  12. Wanda

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    The salary of the president of PETA is the lowest of any charitable organization.
    The money does go to help the animals.
     
  13. Fractual_

    Fractual_ cosmos factory

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    i think animals communicate all the time and are very self-aware... all animals communicate really, a lot of them on different frequency of sound waves that are too high for humans to hear or in ways that most humans just dont pick up on. and if you just pay attention, most animals do communicate and convey messages and vibrations equal to that of humans all the time, they have thought processes and emotions. a cow or pig mooing out in pain when their being castrated or branded is being pretty self-aware i think and trying to communicate something to a bunch of redneck dipshits... animals are verrry capable of emotion i think, like when my kitten was crying when we first got her and took her from her family, she still misses her family sometimes i bet, for a while she would seem really sad randomly until we started letting her outside more often...

    i don't know the difference between a non-profit and profit organization or what exactly seperates them, but dont all organizations need money to an extent??? i read an article in the paper that said their employs get paid an average salary of 28,000$ a year which is very small i think?
     
  14. drumminmama

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    $28k annual is more than I make!
    I do not contribute to Peta. I disagree with how Ingrid Newkirk has chosen to frame the debate.
    I spend my money on direct rescue and general vegetarian groups.
     
  15. clawsy

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    i give money to PETA. I am not in the USA but from where i am they seem to do very good work, have u seen their undercover videos? I don't know any other org who does those to such a degree. They catch those animal torturing bastards and make them change. Good for them.

    As for saying it is wrong to compare animal suffering to human. Humans are not the be all and end all of this world. A cow having her legs hacked off whilst she's alive feels as much as a flipping human!
    Just because you cannot understand the animals, doesnt mean that they aren't capable of suffering as bad as you.

    you know what?Animals remind me of children, to me they are like eternal children. And animal abuse - to me - is the same as child abuse, torturing animals, is like abusing children. And i was abused as a child and i see the similarities very much. To me it is the EXACT same cruelty that happens, totally abusing the innocent and defenseless.
     
  16. Loki84

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    I am not in agreement with PETA on a variety of issues. I do not like their approach to promoting vegetarianism, and I believe it has creted a gulf between vegetarianism and mainstream culture, which doesn't allow the two to blend.

    I believe that PETA's hardcore protesting will put the mainstream people off vegetarianism - Not just switching their diets, but to accepting other people's diets. PETA take a hard line with everything, and their protests are characteristically over the top. I think that the way in which they are percieved by the general public is negative, and as such, i do not agree that PETA is a good organisation for representing vegetarians.
     
  17. Wanda

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    PETA is fully aware that they turn of some vegetarians/vegans. They are not trying to be a good representation of any group. All they care about is to work hard to eliminate animal suffering.
     
  18. Loki84

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    I think that PETA go about things the wrong way. they turn off plenty of people, and the amount of anti-PETA sites on the internet and general disdain for PETA shows this.
     
  19. feministhippy

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    I have a problem with a lot of things PETA does. I don't think that eating meat is murder. I think it is a personal decision one has to make for themselves. I do not eat meat. But people who eat meat are not immoral, and that is what PETA seems to think. This bothers me.

    I also don’t like the fact that they’ll spend tons of money on fucking McDonalds, but if you say anything about people torturing animals in their own backyards, they’ll consider it a minor offence. WHAT THE FUCK?! This is not a minor offence. This is a major problem that is extremely common and pretty much unsolved. If they get caught, the person pays a fine. Gee wiz. That’ll teach them. WHERE IS PETA FOR THIS FUCKING PROBLEM? Oh, yeah, it’s a minor offence. Some animal rights organization. How about instead of demonizing people for eating meat and essentially turning the average person off entirely to all animal rights as we know it, we try to solve problems? Just because a person likes cheeseburgers does not mean that they think it’s okay to set fire to cats. This attitude that eating meat makes you a bad person and you should be shot on sight for doing it is making the entire movement look like insanity. No wonder people look at vegetarians like we’re some sort of joke. Thanks, PETA.
     
  20. acetonephish

    acetonephish lickage

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    I love PETA...

    I even attended one of their protests. I just wish I could attend more, but its the only one that happened locally so far.
     

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