Scientists Declaration about islam and Quran

http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html/Scientist_All/Index.htm

also see www.islam-guide.com

The Creation of the Universe
http://www.islamicity.com/Science/Expansion.shtml

A SCIENTIST'S INTERPRETATION OF REFERENCES TO EMBRYOLOGY IN THE QUR'AN
http://www.islamicity.com/Science/Moore/

 

The following are quotes from scientists from the website,

http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html/Scientist_All/Index.htm , that appeared in the preceding post:


"...If you combine all these and you combine all these statements that are being made in the Qur'ân in terms that relate to the earth and the formation of the earth and science in general, you can basically say that statements made there in many ways are true, they can now be confirmed by scientific methods, and in a way, you can say that the Qur'ân is a simple science text book for the simple man. And that many of the statements made in there at that time could not be proven, but that modern scientific methods are now in a position to prove what Muhammad said 1400 years ago."


"...In a relatively few ayahs (Qur'ânic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development such as classification, terminology, and description existed previously. In most, if not all instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature."

I respond: Oh, really?

From http://humanists.net/avijit/letter_of_debate1.htm :

"...Some Islamists are really desperate nowadays to prove Muhammad a Biologist, Embryologist, Cosmologist, Chemist and theologist.....while it is quite true that being a citizen of a very primitive age, he (Muhammad) had a lacking of basic reasoning of science. I wish to put here one of the example. The ancient people at that age had a severe problem to solve --"where does Sun exactly stay at night !!!". Let’’s quote from Hadith about Muhammad’’s thought regarding this - "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne of Allah and takes the permission to rise again" [Volume 4 Number 421]. How can those Islamists defend those words of Muhammad? Does sun really stay underneath the throne of Allah at night? Is this a scientific fact? Muhammad also showed his ignorance about the scientific facts behind solar eclipses by expressing-"Eclipses of the Sun are the signs from God to frighten Believers" [Volume 2 Number 167]. While Muhammad failed to guess the basic scientific facts behind those natural events, how it is generally claimed that he knew (or predicted) about Big Bang, Nebula, and Gene Technology? Is this actually true or just a fuss?


Readers will get some real amusements by reading some so called ***scientific*******funny Hadiths from the following web page:
http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/hdth.htm ..."

"...Some of my intimate friends know that I have put an article in the Net that contains a specific challenge regarding the rotation of earth (http://humanists.net/avijit/openChallenge.html). I have few more other published articles in the Net regarding different things; but that (above mentioned) particular article that I have put in the web is just to refute the claim of so-called religious Muslim scientists who always spend their valuable energy and effort to dig out Quran and Hadith to seek for (or relate with) 20th century modern scientific knowledge such as Big bang explosion, human cloning, Nebula, supernova etc.

In that article, I demonstrated clearly that there is no sura in Quran that depicts that the earth moves round the sun. On the contrary, everywhere in the Qurtan we find the fixed picture of earth [see Fatir (35:41), An-Naml (27:61), Luqman (31:10), Al-Baqara (2:22), An-Nahl (16:15) etc.] There is no sura or any kind of indication in Quran that supports the common fact that earth moves or rotates (for detailed description, interested readers may go tohttp://humanists.net/avijit/openChallenge.html). And it is not unusual. The time when Quran revealed was a very primitive age, and people at that age could not visualize the movement of earth. That's why we do not find any sura containing the movement of earth in Quran. It is not true only for Quran, rather this picture is very true for any kind of primitive religious books (for example, Vedas, Upanishad, Bible etc)...

...History also shows that in the twelfth-century Arabian scientist Ibn al-Haitham asserted that the earth was spherical, not flat. But His work was castigated as heretical and his books were burned, as it does not support Quran. In 1993, the supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia, Sheik Abdel-Aziz Ibn Baaz, issued an edict, or fatwa, declaring that the world is flat. Anyone of the round persuasion does not believe in God and should be punished...


...Let’s again come to the "scientific claims" of Quran. I have found that Quran has many primitive and erroneous thoughts and concepts about many things. In many verses of Quran, Allah described sky as a canopy (2: 22) and it is Allah who holds the sky upon our head by unseen pillars. But now we know from our modern scientific knowledge that Sky has no physical entity it’s just the ultimate limit of human eyesight. -which was not known by ancient people of Quranic age. Allah definitely is not ignorant; He is omniscient and omnipotent. Still, Why does Allah need an unseen pillar to prevent the sky (which has no physical entity) from falling upon people's head? Doesn’’t it eventually conclude the fact that the book contains only primitive, immature and unscientific thoughts of Arab?


If we read Quran critically, we will find that there is no scientific miracle at all. On the other hand, the book is full of errors, ancient/primitive beliefs, scientific misconceptions and contradictions. Yet we always find some religious scholar arguing that Quran talks about Big Bang, Nebula, Human cloning...all advanced 20th century scientific knowledge (the mail that I put in the top of my article also claimed for the same) !

I generally answer the argument just mentioning again that Quran is not supernatural. It is the clever interpreters who always try to give a different meaning in it. And it is only after something happens that the interpreters create a loud noise. In fact, there is no sura in Quran which depicts Big-Bang or other 20th century scientific theory---it is just some clever interpreters who by force try to relate some suras with Big-Bang and Nebula to misguide common people. Lets have an example.
[al-Anbiya' 21:30] Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them...


Enjoy.

 

Eventhough I'm a Christian (please don't kill me), I thank you for those sites!

There's science for creationism...we're on the same boat with you guys in this case.

 

Its difficult, your alittle too far away... ^^

Ofcourse there is, just look at harun yahyas work on atheism and evolution.
www.harunyahya.com
or the famous book by Michael Behe(darwins black box), I still havent seen any body refute it!

 

This lagidae is what the scientists who studied the quran say(either they dont know their subject or there is something in the quran)

Lets start with the most famous one:
Professor Keith Moore: one of the world's prominent scientists of anatomy and embryology. University of Toronto, Canada It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'aan about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from Allaah, or Allaah, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of Allaah.

Professor Siaveda , He is also one of the most famous scientists in the world. I think it seems to me very, very mysterious, almost unbelievable. I really think if what you have said is true,

Professor William W. Hay is one of the best known marine scientists in the United States, Satellite photography and emote-sensing techniques. Professor Hay replied; I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scripture of the Holy Qur'aan. And I have no way of knowing where they would come from, but I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and that this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages. Professor Hay: Well, I would think it must be the divine being!

Professor Yushudi Kusan: Director of the Tokyo Observatory, I can say, I am very mush impressed by finding true astronomical facts in the Qur'aan.

Professor Alfred Kroner who is one of the world's most famous geologists "Thinking about many of these questions and thinking where Muhammad came from, he was after all a Bedouin. I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case.

Dr. T.V.N. Persaud is a Professor of Anatomy and Head of the Department of Anatomy, and a professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, and Canada. He is the author or editor of 25 books, and has published over 181 scientific papers. In 1991, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada. "It seems to me that Muhammad was a very ordinary man. He could not read or write. In fact, he was illiterate. We are talking about 1400 years ago. You have someone who was illiterate making profound pronouncement and statements and are amazingly accurate about scientific nature. I personally cannot see how this could be mere chance. There are too many accuracy's and, like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind in concerning that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these statements."

Joe Leigh Simpson: Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the North Western University in Chicago in the United States of America. Professor Simpson said: It follows, I think, that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion, but in fact religion can guide science by adding revelation to some traditional scientific approaches. That there exists statements in the Qur'aan shown by science to be valid, which supports knowledge in the Qur'aan having been derived from Allaah.

Professor Palmer: A scientist from the U.S. We need research into the history of early Middle Eastern oral traditions to know whether in fact such historical events have been reported. If there is no such record, it strengthens the belief that Allaah transmitted through Muhammad bits of his knowledge that we have only discovered for ourselves in recent times. We look forward to a continuing dialogue on the topic of science in the Qur'aan in the context of geology. Thank you very much.

Professor Tagata Tagasone, formerly Head of the Department of Anatomy and Embryology at the University of Shiang Mai in Thailand. He is now the Dean of the College of the Medicine at the University. From my studies and from what I have learned throughout this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Qur'aan 1400 years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means. Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth which was revealed to him as enlightenment by the One Who is an eligible Creator. This Creator must be Allaah, or Allaah. Therefore, I think this is the time to say 'Laa ilaaha illAllaah', that there is no god worthy of worship except Allaah, 'Muhammad Rasool Allaah', Muhammad is messenger of Allaah...

Professor Armstrong, Scientist works at NASA, I am impressed that how remarkably some of the ancient writings seem to correspond to modern and recent Astronomy. There may well have to be something beyond what we understand as ordinary human experience to account for the writings that we have seen.

Professor Dorja Rao, It is difficult to imagine that this type of knowledge was existing at that time, around 1400 years back. May be some of the things they have simple idea about, but do describe those things in great detail is very difficult. So, this is definitely not a simple human knowledge.

Dr. Maurice Bucaille former catholic and author of the book"THE BIBLE, THE QUR'AN AND SCIENCE" writes in that book

"The above observation makes the hypothesis advanced by those who see Muhammad as the author of the Qur'an untenable. How could a man, from being illiterate, become the most important author, in terms of literary merits, in the whole of Arabic literature? How could he then pronounce truths of a scientific nature that no other human being could possibly have developed at that time, and all this without once making the slightest error in his pronouncement on the subject?"

Lagidae; About the earth being round thing, check http://www.fatwa-online.com/fataawa/miscellaneous/miscellaneous/0040819.htm where he was asked this question, there is an audio recording as well.

 

Yeah..it's kinda hard...in Sweden, right? *thinks* OH NO! I'm returning to Germany in 8 weeks!

Thanks!