Flare ups between Japan and China

I hope this doesn't start becoming commonplace. There's been a string of incidents that have caused friction between Japan and China lately.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/04/16/china.japan.ap/index.html

"SHANGHAI, China (AP) -- About 20,000 anti-Japanese protesters rampaged in Shanghai on Saturday, stoning Japan's consulate and smashing cars and shops in a protest over Tokyo's wartime history and its bid for a permanent U.N. Security Council seat.

Japan filed an official protest, complaining that Chinese authorities failed to stop the violence.

The Shanghai government, however, blamed Japan for the protest, saying it was sparked by "Japan's wrong attitudes and actions on a series of issues such as its history of agression," the official Xinhua news agency quoted government spokeswoman Jiao Yang as saying late Saturday."

 

Fuck China, I hope we delevop more fuel efficency so that once oil starts declining, China is once again a backward ass fuckhole.

 

That's an awfully ignorant attitude, to wish poverty on other people. If China continues having spectacular economic growth and the United States continues having only moderate economic growth, China still won't have economic parity for at least 25 years. A lot can happen in 25 years; China could become a democracy, and be seen as a partner in security rather than a rival that must be beaten into submission.

 

The Chinese people aren't too happy with Japan right now, and I can't say that I entirely blame them. Some of their criticism is absolutely valid (Japanese schools ought to be ashamed for glossing over their history of war atrocities), some of it is less valid (Japan has strengthened its ties with the United States, but the Chinese people should welcome that), and some of it is just stupid (Japan has every right to be on the Security Council if relatively unimportant nations like France and Britain are on it).

 

I do not see that as a major problem. The US and the French show more attitude towards each other, but that has not caused an international conflict.

 

what is the world coming too

peace now!

 

We're talking about Japan and China... they've only had a couple hundred wars over the past thousand years.

This is nothing new for even the past decade, China's still sore about being decimated by Japan during world war 2, but I think the Chinese people should be more concerned with the Chinese governments actions.

The complaints are valid though, the textbooks have completly ignored Japenese atrocities during world war 2... however, I've never seen more then a quarter of a page devoted to Japanese internment camps in one of my school books.

I'll post more about this later, but I don't think this is something to get alarmed about... ethnic tensions between Japan and China aren't much higher then usually, and its not like they would go to war with each other... New Zealand is more likely to go to war with Poland.

 

The protests/violence are getting worse as well. I'm living in Hong Kong at the moment and the issue has been front page news for a while now. Protests are becoming more and more widespread throughout China and Japanese expats have been beaten up in both Beijing and Shanghai.

The problem really is that there is no forseeable peaceful outcome. The Chinese people haven't been going about protests in the right way, but with Japan making such a blatant attempt to whitewash their military history you can see why the problem is escalating.

China needs/deserves a full apology and Japan needs to leave all the gory details in their books (I read an example about how the Japanese textbooks now refer to the Nanjing massacre as the 'Nanjing Incident' and fail to mention how many people were killed). Unfortunately thats not going to happen, especially as Japan is getting progressively more right wing. The Japanese are proud and patriotic people and admitting their wrongdoings doesn't seem to come easy.

 

You would be sore as well if so many of YOUR countrymen had been murdered by an aggressive military regime, especially if the crimes were being removed from the world's concious.. Don't forget this all happened reletively recently (as in some of the dead will have living family members).

And by the way, while the 'ethnic tensions' are normally fairly strained, they are a LOT worse than usual right now. Admittedly this is more a problem for the public than the governments and there is no way there's a war looming, but the fact remains that there is violence in the streets at the moment becuase of it.

 

Agreed, I was being sarcastic when I said a little sore.

I'm not sticking up for japanese imperialism in world war 2, or the glossing over them, but at the same time, millions of chinese died because of Mao Zedong too...

I think the Chinese people should be more concerned with the present regime, which although is making some improvments is still very repressive.

I agree, its not a good time for Chinese-Japanese relations.

Anyway its late, lets talk about this tommorow. .

 

Fair enough It's an interesting story this one...

 

The Chinese government just loves to stir up public hatred for an external foe, in order to divert it's citizens' attention away from their lack of political freedom.

 

I think we should keep in mind this is not the standard issue textbook in Japan - less than 1% of students read it.

Meanwhile, how accurate are Chinese textbooks? Take a guess.

 

So does the U.S. federal gonvernment.

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Yeah, we've mowed down our anti-war protestors, just like the Chinese in Tiananmen Square.

 

The China of today is a completely different world from the China of the Tiannamen Square massacre. China is capitalist in all but name.

 

There is nothing new or unique about governments not mentioning their sanctioned atrocities. Although Japan was an Axis power and did seek world domination by all accounts I've been exposed to. (but then I'm in america, and how much of our education is objective?) Our own government, as well as most every other government, has committed atrocities that are never mentioned.

Media feeds this shit. Never believe what the "powers-that-be" feed you.


People will eventually realise that we-are-all-one and find peace. Let's all hope that it's not too far off......

Btw, BraveSirRubin is an idiot. (hehe. peace bro')

 

China wants to show it has a dick, no matter how small it is.

 

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/2000/04/tuchman.kentstate.may4/

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/06/06/MNG7771M481.DTL

"In 1969, as he geared up for a second run at governor, the students of Berkeley provided Reagan with another opportunity. Students and community activists rioted over a patch of campus-owned land they called People's Park.

Reagan sent in the National Guard. The image of a Guard helicopter dropping tear gas on the campus sent the governor's popularity soaring.

The next year, anti-war demonstrations caused more protests and a riot at UC Santa Barbara.

"If it takes a bloodbath to silence the demonstrators," Reagan said, "let's get it over with." "

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I want to what it being hidden behind this.....ooohhhh tensions rising...somethings amiss/undercover/secret society....what has china done recently it wants noone to know about...thus is tying to rev up support by dragging out old wounds from a past atrocity..yes they want an apology...but what are they trying tohide???
please somebody chinese tell me what is reallly happening?