Slaves vs. Immigrants -Please Read!

Please don't tell me that I don't read what you're posting. Your igorance may hurt my eyes, but I still read it.

Again, you refuse to listen and understand.

Oh, for fuck's sake, are you suggesting for this woman who was born and raised in an industrial society, who has no friends and no connections, no means to obtain knowledge, to live off the land? Have you ever tried living off the land? Maybe in your mind the land is like a big free supermarket, with fruit hanging from every tree, fresh drinking water flowing through each stream.

During the time period we are talking about, pretty much all of them were. It was simply the profitable thing to do.

Sigh... How can I make you understand that "freedom" is just a word. If a person is forced to do something, and has no other options, he is not really free. Does this knowledge that he is his own man make him warmer at night?

While I agree with you, I'm gonna tell you not to bother with him. His opinion won't change, no matter how right you are or how you explain yourself.

 

you sir are a dumbass

and I'm spent

 

syntax: i see what you mean. oh well.

 

I'll take another whack at this while the dumbasses appear to be sleeping.

Both parties had their ups and downs, but shit happens, that's life. But what kind of life is it when it's written in the law that shit MUST happen to you?

Yeah, "give me liberty or give me death"- Patrick Henry
... anyway

 

If fail to see any new logical argument in your new post. All you did was put your very first idea, and use some quote to back it up. Of course, all of our previous replies that "liberty" or "freedom" only exist if you actually have a choice still stand.

 

My turn... please, I'm very sorry this is long. Forgive me?

First of all you shouldn't have cared about what scene you made in school. If you really wanted people to know how you felt you should have let people know about it. Thinking you can rant to a teacher and not to a class will do anything you are dead wrong. And trust me, slaves had it better than a lot of other people at other times... but I'll get to that later.

Have you ever done research into the immigration things in the early 1900s? My family was the lucky kind in a way. Both sides were relatively well off, but during world war two my grandmother was a riveter... and those weren't always the safest jobs... people would sometimes forget someone was in there if you get my drift.

Also, this was from a Historagrophy style research book. Women would get their hands caught in machines, their hair caught in machines (and be scalped), and if the machine jammed up enough for them to get out and not die, they were immedietly fired. Given any money for compensation? Never. And how would they be able to get another job.

Freedom in which you aren't free, like the freed slaves, isn't freedom. When you are still faced with oppression, the idea of being cared for, even if you are in slavery, would be a much better life than having to basically know people want you dead and if they could, would kill you.

Now on to my other points.
Jews- from the time of the death of Jeshua (since that was his real name aka Jesus) Jews have been persecuted. Blamed for the Bubonic Plauge. Put in ghettos (pre WW2) Ghettos and concentration camps (WW2). from 1939 to 1945 6 million Jews and 6 million other people were murdered. I think that's worse than slavery

Women- were slaves basically. They had no freedom, were property, could be beaten. Double standards existed. In fact most people wouldn't hesitate to say that women had it worse than slaves because this happened starting in PRE-BIBLICAL times.

So things from 33 A.D. (at the latest) for Jews (Wait forgot about Egypt, that's a few more thousand years) and women from the same time as Jews got this. And you're complaining about slaves who were for the most part protected to allow people from not having to work as hard. Now THAT offends me. I'm half Jewish and a woman. And from immigrant desenct.

Not really offended... just had to take from his own words.

 

More that I forgot to add.
Asian countries are under much more oppression these days than the slaves had.
Genital mutilation, being taken in for supposably talking out against the government, murders, tortures.
There are 1 million missing women in India and China combined from forced abortions on female fetals.
Soviet Union's work (death) camps.

 

It's not that I'm mad at or don't like you, I'm mad at the society that created your mind.

I'm not surprised

Perception, that's always good.

I can't tell if you still have a problem because it wasn't a complete sentance, but if you do...



6 entries found for freedom.

free·dom ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fr d m)
n.

• The condition of being free of restraints.
• Liberty of the person from slavery, detention, or oppression.
  • Political independence.
  • Exemption from the arbitrary exercise of authority in the performance of a specific action; civil liberty: freedom of assembly.
• Exemption from an unpleasant or onerous condition: freedom from want.
• The capacity to exercise choice; free will: We have the freedom to do as we please all afternoon.

1 entry found for restraints.

re·straint ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r -str nt )
n.

• The act of restraining or the condition of being restrained.
• Loss or abridgment of freedom.
• An influence that inhibits or restrains; a limitation.
• An instrument or a means of restraining.
• Control or repression of feelings; constraint.

Syntax,

for it to be concidered an act of actually restraining someone, someone actually has to be doing it. -> like the law enforcement. (There job was to make sure that they remained property (not people, in fact black slaves were considered a fraction of a man) The immigrants though sometimes are knowingly treated poorly are still considered people.




Again syntax, the fact that the options aren't always appealing doesn't take away the fact that there are options. You make the most with what you have so that things get better because other people won't always make them better for you.



It seems that he's trying to get us to favor our sympathy with possible racial motives (allt his is most likely subconscious and out of pain that this society has created for him--you know the same one that created your...nevermind). I will not favor my sympathy.

I don't think you realize that your trying to argue that bad things don't happen to slaves.

 

I hear about it. It's sick

 

Interesting. You have no new arguments to make so you start insulting me instead.

Absolutly untrue. Restrain can happen without any enforcement at all. Let's see if I can make you understand using a simple example: say you buy a cat, and instead of feeding him from a regular bowl, you tie his food to a string nearly as high as the ceiling, so that he can't reach it. Are you starving the cat? There is no way for it to get food, but you can hardly be blamed for that because the food was there. I don't think I even need to explain this. Everybody knows that freedom does not have to be physically restrained in order for it not to exist. One's freedom depends on the choices avaliable to him. If you have to do something, the only other choice being death - you have no freedom! And just because that death may come from starvation and not the police means absolutly nothing.

Oh, please explain how I'm trying to argue this? Nobody denies that bad things happen to slaves. You just like to interpert what I say in the way that'll allow you to hate me, because this is what you want to do. Fine. Believe I think that bad things don't happen to slaves. If it makes you better, you can believe I am a talking catfish.

 

It speaks volumes that you feel I insulted you when in fact I said nothing actually insulting... overall, this is not a personal matter but for truth.. what kind of drugs do you use currently?

The only way that cat analogy can work in congruence with the topic is if we bought the immigrants. (that happened to the slaves... remember...) do you understand how an analogy works? if not...

a·nal·o·gy ( P ) Pronunciation Key
n. pl. a·nal·o·gies

1. 1. Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.

I don't need to explain, nor Do I need to try to analyze your comments now. It's all there, first grey.. but now black and white. Just go back and read to comprehend what your arguing about.

 

Pardon, I never said I was insulted. I just stated that most of your post was not about the issue itself, but about me. As for the rest of your post, I am not going to bother anymore. Every single person on these forums knows you are wrong, and I will never be able to convince you of this. So why bother? Have fun living in your box. I will not add a single post to this thread.

 

I may get angry sometimes when provoked (I'm not perfect all the time) and will retaliate, but that's not the case here...you felt my intentions were to insult you personally.
Insulting you personally would be like if I were to say something like "your hair is ugly", which intails oppinion. I'm guessing you got angry when I was mearly trying to point out the true meanings of the words because it appears you don't understand them due to your frequent misusage. If you feel it's about you, you are too strongly attached to your ideology to the point that it has fused with your ego. Ergo you percieve I'm attacking you... (and and it hurts your pride. Not being able so admit your faults to your self impedes your growth...unless you like (in this case= are unaware of) where you stand... Now that I realize again you can't help your ignorance, so I can't be cross with you for that particular reason...

Along the journey, the right and wrong turns don't matter if you can still find your way to the truth at the end. In this case, I'm still waiting for you to get here.

ps. In case you don't know, that type of attack doesn't work on me, because I don't care what you think, they think, or what you think they think. It's about the facts, this is not an issue involving partisan politics.