Help! I've Tried Everything, Its Truly Awful!

I can see I will get no help from most of you posters. How can someone think I would do this as some sick joke. To all of you that made fun of me and my situation, I pray you never have to go through what I have. I try and get some help to prevent incest in my family and get called a child pornographer for trying to explain whats going on. Thanks alot.

 

I have serious doubts that a parent would describe their kids actions the way you do.this all sounds phony to me and designed to get a rise out of some gullible reader.

I vote troll.

 

oh good, I don't feel quite so paranoid now. Or unduly suspicious

 

Well that makes me feel better, other parents have this problem with incest you know, its not just me. Perhaps I have explained them with a bit too much vulgarity, but I have explained things to councelors before in nicer terms and they always ask, what do you mean they did this, not understanding what I said? I got sick of having to elaborate all the time so i just use normal language.

 

This is child pornography. I think I'm going to vomit. And report this post.

 

If you really have this problem then you need to continue with therapy,both for yourself and the kids.A little experimentation is normal but this sounds extreme.CPS could take them away from you and each otherand that might be for the best.This kind of behaviour is not going to occur in a vacuum,there is most likely a nearly complete breakdown of family structure before early teens would act out this way. Yes a little of this could happen in a lot of families but to have them persist through therapy and in total disregard to the rest of the family shows extremely abberrant behavior and a total lack of parental respect and control.

If yo aren't a troll you have a very bad problem,both with your kids and yourself.

 

If you aren't a troll, I'm disgusted by your reaction. Giving them condoms? NO You fucking seperate them, never let them be alone. If you have any relatives, you make one of the kids stay with them so they are never together. You also have majorly fucked up as a parent if you're daughter is having threeways at 11 and you didn't stop it when you walked in on them. They're wanting to be caught, they want control and direction, they want you to know about it. your kids should be taken away from you if this is 100% true.

 

Did you read my post, I have had them in counseling for six months! We've explained, We shout and scream at them, ground the, seperate them but at some point they have to sleep in the same house. I have followed all the doctor's instructions. I don't have any family to give them too, they are babysitted everyday, but it is really expensive, we don't earn that much. It doesn't seem like you even read what I wrote

 

wait, so what's the problem?

 

im sorry to hear about your problem hon but maybe tellin the forum wasnt the best idea talk to someone who can in fact really help like children in youth or what not...I dont know what your situation was but im sure noone here can help you with what you need. *hug*

 

i sent you a pm. talk to you later.

 

I'm still confused. must have been edited.

 

Yes, the original post was removed because I (and I'm sure some others) reported it to the administrators. It was basically her saying "help me" and describing in graphic detail her 11-yr old daughter & 13-yr old son having sex with each other, in no terms a person who was really having this problem would use.

It was nothing more than an excuse to unknowingly expose everyone in this forum to child pornography, which is revolting.

 

exactement... and describing reactions on the parents part that are truly unrealistic. Giving htem condoms for example, or refusing to seperate them. Describing in far too much detail a gangbang involving her 'daughter' with NO reaction on her part other than being shocked. I'm sorry, I would be screaming my ass off, chasing those boys out of my house naked and putting my kids under house arrest if anything even vaguely simmilar to that happened when they were 11.

 

What is wrong with you people, who makes up stories like that,I'm a mother of adolescents, I would have to be deranged. I shared my feelings on the matter, I know how outrageous my daughter and sons behavior is, I felt I shared that repetedly, all you have done is critisize me and further degrade my situation. My husband thinks you must be perverts to think someone could have written that for fun. The condoms I gave them were a last resort to their flagrant disregard and the faluire of councellors and therapists to improve the situation. I just didn't want her getting pregant in the middle of the night when I couldn't stop them. The reason I went into detail about what they were doing was to ask if you thought they must have been exposed to pornography or abused, even thought the councelor said they hadn't. I just recounted them as I saw them, I just don't get how you could have got from that post such disgusting reactions. Anyway, I have consulted different forums and they have been much more helpful, the main suggestion is that I should continue treatment and seperate them as much as possible. I just don't know where they learnt all those things, should I use hypnosis or another technique to find out if they were abused, I just am at a loss. I can't seperate them all the time, they have to sleep in the same house. I have tried all kinds of discipline we can think of, explaining, grounding, shouting, screaming, etc. They just ignore me. Any suggestions would be appreciated, provided they are not just insults by twisted people.

 

gee, how many times did I say that? Dont' keep them in the same house if you have ANY relatives in the area. whoops, repeating myself again.

 

They are brother and sister, they must live together, I like to see them, they are the light of my life. How can you think a mother can just dump her child off like that. We don't have a large income, Price's parents don't have room for a kid, his dad still works at 67, and my mother-in-law says she doesn't want the burden, they are not my flesh and blood so I can't force them. My parents are both dead, we can't afford a sitter, and it seems so stupid and disgusting to seperate my kids because of this, i don't know why they insist on doing it, they can't have real attractions for one another, can they?I thought this was a phase but its been going on for six months now and as she goes into puberty it might only get worse, I hope not. I can't see a way of seperating them without placing them in care, and that would destroy the kids and me

 

you "like" to see them, regardless of how this has already screwed them up and will cause MORE damage inevitably

stupid and disgusting... yeah, because your children flaunting incest infront of you couldn't possible be disgusting and your resentment at taking any genuinely helpful actions isn't stupid at all

a phase.... goth can be a phase. Hating your parents can be a phase. Incest is psychologically damaging.

 

youre sick for letting incest happen in your family. your daughters 11 she has no idea what shes doing. you should have your kids taken away.

 

I didn't see your original post, so I am in no position to have an opinion on what was written. If you are genuine and what you had written was true, then you will need to get help for yourself in order to act appropriately, if only to recover from the 'shock' of your situation.

However, your kids are the priority here. Incest has been proven to cause persistant mental damage. There was a famous case in the UK where a mother caught her children in the act. The social services got involved and one child was moved to a foster home. Now, don't panic ! They spent their lives much like thousands of kids do when their parents split, and one week was spent at one place and one at the original home. Both children spent daily time with both the parents, and the children where in regular daily contact with each other, although a careful and subtle eye was always watching. The kids grew up, developed relationships outside the family unit and are now both happy and successful adults. The social services provided counselling, and guidence and support for all family members affected. The children were not punished, and where not told off. The Social services were not there to break up the family, and the family were a stronger unit as a result.

The problem that was argued by the kids own solicitor intially, was that no one can tell where love is found. The mental damage was mainly thought to be caused be reaction of people and society. Love is afterall an emotion. Your kids hormones are just developing. Now is the time to act.

The real dangers and damage of incest occurs when a child is born between two siblings/family members. It is a genetical timebomb waiting to happen. In the animal Kingdom, often siblings can breed, however lives are shortened in parents and offspring - if carried to term - as once again nature kicks in and triggers that timebomb, which can result in health issues. As humans, having learnt all that, we can stop the interbreeding in animals, but how can you stop humans ? One way - the only real way, is seperation and mental welfare support, because all will need it.

Incest isn't right. It causes to many problems mentally, genetically, and breaks down family units. As you are caught in the middle and are confused about the whole deal, you will need outside assistance - you cannot act alone. Your children will not be taken from you. You are not an unfit mother, but they cannot remain in the same house. As you have nowhere to go and don't have the relevent guidance to stop them engaging inappropriately, you have little choice. Whatever you do, don't get angry at them. They don't really seem to understand why the actions they are engaging in, is so wrong.

It seems it is very much down to you now. You have to watch out for your childrens mental and physical health, especially as they are having sex at such a young age, regardless who with, and whether condoms are used or not. Take them to the GP or a Gyno and get them both checked out.

You need help, and you asked for it here. This clearly means that you are not coping with this yourself because of the situation you have discovered. Don't be fooled into thinking that, if you bury your head in the sand, it'll be ok. It won't. Ask for assistance and advice from the social services, local to your address, and be strong. If you are genuine, you have nothing to fear by talking to these people.

If what you say is true, I wish you the very best of luck.