We all die, mannn

So do you believe that for all living things, or just humans?

Can you give some examples? Just curious, for i've found most "supernatural" occurances have natural explanations - i'm kinda searching for some that don't!!!

To give you an example of what I mean, a scientist called Vic Tandy did an investigation after seeing apparitions - he discovered that an extractor fan in the laboratory he was working in was producing an infrasound wave (extremely low frequency sound wave) that resonated at the same frequency as the human eyeball - thus causing an optical illusion.

http://ghosts.monstrous.com/infrasound.htm for more information.

TheStoon

 

I don't have a firm belief either way, but I would say all things do.
I cannot explain many paranormal events I have experienced.

 

Ah - you cannot explain them, but it doesn't mean nobody could - would you be willing to let them stand up to scrutiny??

 

I would indeed, and if an explanation of how they could have happened within the bounds of the laws of physics was offered, I would actually be grateful. I don't get much joy from being viewed as either a liar or delusional, which are the two options most people leave me.

I used to work with a fellow who's wife died of lung cancer, though she was a nurse who never smoked. It was less than a year from diagnosis till she was gone. Around a month before she passed on she told him that she was going to send him some kind of a sign. He is a very honest, family-oriented, devout Catholic. Then, from her hospital bed a week before she passed on, she told him she knew what the sign would be....lightning.
I have only been to one funeral in my life, hers, and it was at 1PM at St. Anne's Church. As we arrived it was pouring out, really hard, the sky was low overcast thick clouds, and it was dark like twilight. We sat down, and got settled in, and then boom, thunder, and the lights in the church went out for a couple of minutes. My friend told me that when the thunder struck, he looked at his watch and it was 1 o'clock on the dot.
After the funeral, we came outside to find that there was not a cloud in the sky, in any direction, I looked. Everything was soaking wet, and dripping, and the sun was shining in a clear blue sky.
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I have another from an equally straight shooting, straight arrow, tow the line, pillar of the community type guy. Hebis now a Chiropractor, and is as honest as the day is long, and as he told me this, his eyes were wide as saucers, and he couldn't help laughing through most of it, swearing it was true. He is not lying, I bet my life on it. What happened was, he was hiking to a spot in a steep canyon above an approx. 100 foot waterfall. I've been there, and know where he was. They were another 75 to 100 feet above the creek at the top of a virtually vertical cliff when his friend slipped and fell into the creek far below. Scott said he saw this and worried his friend would get caught in the current and go over the falls. This is the fun part. The next second, he swore up and down, he was pulling his friend out of the creek. He broke out laughing as he told me he did not climb down to him, and it was instantaneous that he was there, 75 to 100 feet below.
I believe him.
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I was feeding my fiance lunch in the hospital last summer as she recovered from a serious head injury when she said 'see the ducks in the park.', & I said sure when you get better. But she shook her head and said it again, with wide eyes, as though I was missing something. She said it three times and then dropped it. That night I got home and checked my email and an online friend in Portland (250 miles south of here) emailed me to ask if my honey mentioned going to see the ducks in the park with her, because she had been at the park across from her work at lunch feeding the ducks when she showed up in spirit and she really liked watching her feed the ducks. Yes, she did I replied.
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I will also post descriptions of my precognitive dreams if you wish to scrutinize those as well.
BG13

 

i dont' know what i beleive. as far as i'm concerned, there is no higher being, there is no heaven or anything, us dying is no different than an ant dying. but i have 2 different beleifs about what happens when you die.
I mostly beleive that when you die thats it, lights out, no more anything. you are not alive, you are not there, you cease to be.
but i have recently gained a different outlook due to an intense mushroom experience. i was every ounce of me sure i was dead that fateful saturday night, and what happened was memories would just continuously replay, i had full control of my mind but no longer my body. maybe nothing is anything, nothing matters and wehn you die you are just stuck in the moment you died in, your dead, but forever in taht moment. sorry if this makes little to no sense, its very hard explaining things realized in your head. idk why

 

I believe you die, and thats it. Nothing else. The second you die/get killed *what have you* its all over, nothing more nothing less. Your body gets burnt/buried by your family and its over. No spirits no souls, your turn is over...someone elses turn begins.

 

My friends dad went into surgery. And he said it felt like no time at all when he woke up. It makes you wonder what it feels like when you Don't wake up, if you do feel anything.

 

I believe that all the atheists go to see hades and the people who missed one sunday of going to church will have to be reincarnated until they make it their whole lifetime without missing a day of church. Church is important you fools, you don't know what your missing out on! Now get to church

 

Oh, well seeing that you put it like that - NO!

 

I agree.

 

I don't believe u just die & thats the end. I feel as though ur soul seperates from its body on earth & does something, goes somewhere....not at all sure where. People are put in diff. places based on some kind of criteria...of course i would have no idea what that is either! I believe that a person's soul is much more powerful than we may think...

 

I respect your views, and you're more than welcome to have them - but let me ask you this... are you sure you're not just saying that because you can't accept the fact that this is your only life? That you only believe it because you're scared of death, and feel comforted by the idea that you can live on after your death?

If you want to feel that way about the world, good for you, just let me put one thing forward - what if you're wrong? What if death IS the end? When you die, will you have done everything in your life that you wanted to do? Or did you keep putting the off? Or maybe not bother because you always imagined you could do them in the second life?

You know, if there is a life after this one, great... But don't let that stop you living THIS life to the full.. because if this life is your only life... although you won't be able to regret it (being dead), it sure would have been a waste of a life.

 

i see after life as one of those things that cannot be concieved by a living person. every single person who has some theory on what happens after life is wrong. ie, if there is an afterlife

if you life every day as if your gonna die tomorrow, that means living as if your not gonna have an afterlife. this is how i live, i live as if when i die, im gone. it makes you apreciate life more and value other people more as well.

if there is no afterlife, the energy of your mind would not go off into an ether, it is chemical processes, it would leave your head in the form of heat and chemical potential energy and electrical/magnetic.


if there is an afterlife, as i said, i believe that no one on this earth knows whats tehre. religions have bullshit understanding on it, the ideas of heaven and hell are jsut rediculous, as is the thought of reincarnation. in fact reincarnation pretty much means that there is no afterlife, since you cant remember previous lives, you may as well have never had them. how is the threat of reincarnating as a snail gonna be bad if you dont remember being a human, and snails only live a short while anywya before reincarnating as something else.

if that woman truelly did send a sign down to earth then it means that after dying, she was given these huge powers to affect the mortal world. either she did it herself, or she asked the true higher power to do it for her, in wqhich case she still then has a power over the world. no current belief fits this idea. in fact no current believe really explains everything properly. none.

if people could send signs after dying then signs would be everywhere and not just for some few special people. especialyl if those special people are dumb enough to chose lightning as their sign. why not chose a tornado that is spinning on a hill and not moving? that would be much more indicative of a sign. or burning words into a hillside.


the example of pulling his friend out can go two ways. either a higher power decided his friend was so special that they would transport this dude down there instantly, which would suggest that the higher power is selective of the lives he saves, which would then infer that he is not a good god but a god with an oppinion based on their personality, which opposes practically all ideas of spirituality at the moment, OR
he climbed down the mountain very quickly and saved his friend but because of the huge amount of instinct and stress apon him, he rememberedd nothing of it. this happens a lot. it is not odd at all.

and for the last one, well, its confusing, you didnt really explain it well, or at least i dont understand it well. she said 'look at the ducks' a few times.. and then a friend asked if she said she was going to see the ducks because they knew she liked looking at ducks and saw her at the pond.

why did she chose that friend to go to and that pond to feed ducks at? id be more interested in teh significance of that friend than the significance of the coincidence.

ther are many supernatural occurances. but the way to understand them is not to try and fit them in with your own beliefs but to find out about the occurences themselves.


practically all people of spiritual nature try to justify happenings into their own belief than to realise that their belief should be composed purely of these ocurances and not on the bible or some other predetermined belief system

 

and i see ultimate death as very depressing. the fact that i wont be around ever to experience anything again is why its depressing. i dont even like getting to sleep because i dont want to turn off my consciosuness

i would be awake and alive forever if i could. i might go mad. but i see it as better than being nothing.

 

'and for the last one, well, its confusing, you didnt really explain it well, or at least i dont understand it well. she said 'look at the ducks' a few times.. and then a friend asked if she said she was going to see the ducks because they knew she liked looking at ducks and saw her at the pond.

why did she chose that friend to go to and that pond to feed ducks at? id be more interested in teh significance of that friend than the significance of the coincidence.'

Stoner Bill

I am sorry I didn't explain it well, it actually needs a little background to make more sense. The person who lives 250 miles south of us was someone I met online in an msn group called UPOL, which I joined AFTER my fiance was seriously hurt. I joined to request prayers for her cuz she was on life support, and couldn't breathe on her own at the time.
That afternoon at the hospital, I was feeding her lunch and the first time she said "Feed the ducks in the park", it was a statement, not a question, but it made no sense to me, so since most of her communication at that point was one word like, More, or, Pudding, or Hi, I just assumed she wanted to go see the ducks in the park, so I explained we would when she got better. Her eyes were wide as she said it, and it was likely the longest sentence she had said so far. The second and third times she stated it, again, not as a question, other than with a sort of questioning look, like, "don't you understand what I mean?", I just repeated that we couldn't go till she got better. She could not even sit up in bed without me holding her. I stayed with her till at least suppertime, and then when I got home the post that I read was something like this:
"Hi Ken, today at lunch I went to the park across the street from my office and was feeding the ducks when Eileen showed up in spirit. She really enjoyed watching me feed the ducks. Did she tell you about it?" DW

I replied, "Yes, she did."

Eileen has only met one person who I met online and prayed for her, and that woman came out to visit her one night for about an hour. She lived about 40 miles away, and stayed maybe two hours. Eileen and her did not talk at all, but she was happy to have a new visitor.
The number of things that Eileen and I have shared that are 'coinkidinks' is in the hundreds....in three months.
I hope that is a little clearer.

 

How is this girl BTW, did she recover from her injury?

 

StonerBill

Thankyou for being honest.

You have in a few words described exactly what worries..,,scares, terrifies.
MOST human beings.

Occam asks....please remember what it was like for you
before you were born.

Occam

 

No one knows, But LIFe was the shit

 

She is still fighting her way back. It has been just over 13 months now, and she is slowly making progress. I took her to see a movie last weekend, Miss Congeniality 2, and we had a great time. It is going to be a long time before she is independent enough to stay home all day alone, but when she is, she's coming home.

 

Blackguard

Do you think these events are wholely the
actions/result of humans through internal spiritual or paranormal faculties.

Or they are a result of some external divine organisation/intervention?

Occam