attention veggie eaters

You are all murderers and hypocrites. You spare the lives of cows and pigs... yet uproot and and devour harmless vegetables. You all make me sick.

 

What do you define as life?

To me, life is the ability to live. To be able to go out and do things, to be aware of one's surroundings, and of oneself. To have the ability to EXPERIENCE the life.

It's my understanding that plants do not have any sense organs, nor do they have the ability to do anything but grow, die, and reproduce. They cannot *live*, they can only "live" (in the same sense that a computer program "lives" by taking input and producing output). I don't see how plants are any different, in this case, than a rock, or a paramecium, or a computer. All of those things are just functions of the universe (as humans and animals are) that cannot experience their existance (let alone anything at all) and thus do not have "life" as we have come to understand it.

Edit: Also, how do you live if you do not eat vegetables? Are you a fruitarian? If so, have you realized that you may be causing great suffering and pain to these plants when you rip their fruit (or arms and legs) off and force them to regrow? How else could you live? Survival of the fittest takes precedence over morality; it is not as fundamental. Morality as humans understand it could not have even come into existance were it not for the way of Mother Nature Gaea.

(Also, please do not take offense to my words, I do not intend to insult, aye?)

 

I eat vegetables and meat. I just wondered why someone who claimed to have a "love for life" could harvest plants and partake in their consumption, yet spare the lives of animals. You make an extremely good point though, because plants most likely do not have the ability to think and feel.. animals on the other hand do.
I personnaly believe in reincarnation (be animals in the cycle or not) and that killing an animal might be like killing a once person/person to be. But does that mean that as humans we should cut them out of our diet forever? Nay, a world where no animals were killed/eaten would be a disease ridden and an overpopulated world... oh well, I have ventured off the topic and it's not like I will be changing any minds here anyways.
Lol, my prior post was not intended to be completely serious as I hope some have realised by now. But I thank you for replying in a respectful manor.
Peace and Love,
/\/\att

 

Actually, TheSkaEffect has a point. I admit I'm a hypocrite (even though I'm a fruitarian who doesn't kill plants) because, like Haiku said, I'm indirectly causing pain to plants by supporting commercial harvesting. So, there, I said it: I'm a hypocrite. But dude, I'm constantly working toward perfecting myself. Peas.

 

theres a world of difference between plucking or pruning a branch from a tree and plucking say the genitals of a male calf without any painkillers or drugs, 'welcome to the world' har har
and plants would die anyway or begin to rot if we did not harvest them.

 

I was wondering if you where being serious or not. I'll admit it sometimes when I'm sitting there eating I think "what if these veggies can feel but we don't know it?" Then I start to feel bad. Then I start to wonder if I'm losing it finally.

 

I see where your habit of eating meat comes from (the belief in reincarnation), and that's probably where we differ; I don't believe in reincarnation, I think that we only have this life to live (at least, we only DEFINATELY have this one life), and that we should live to make ourselves happy and to keep on living, but not at the expense of the happiness and right to continue living of others (and I consider animals on the same level as humans, so I extend those rights to animals). =)

Anyway, I welcome the challenge, be it serious or not. =D Because that's what life is!

That's Hikaru, my name is not poetic. I admire your ability to be a fruitarian, though. Good luck with working toward that perfection. =)

So would humans. Actually, many humans do seem to rot from the inside out while they're alive: Just look at Mr. Bush. =D

 

Doh! Sorry man. Bad eyesight, y'know. I suppose I should eat more carrots

 

You've got a problem, man.
You know how many times we've heard this before?
It's getting old.

Plants don't have a central nervous system, therefore they cannot feel pain, nor think. And therefore we eat them.
You are being hypocrytical yourself, and saying to us as much as ' oh you're murderers, you hurt animals and spare pigs, but I'm much worse: I don't give a crap about plants OR animals, in fact, I support animal cruelty!"

 

actually the main concern for hypocracy is not about plants. It's about the billions of rodents,birds,insects,and even deer that are killed each year in the agriculture business.

Rodents,insects,birds and deer are not just hit by combine blades.They are deliberately poisoned and killed to protect crops.

I know many a farmer who poison deer to protect to soybean and wheat fields.Most of those farmers provide wheat and soy for some the biggest food companies in the world.

Wildlife is routinely killed and displaced to make room for crops.Fish and fowl are killed by toxic sludge that drains from factories that make vegetarian meatballs and mock-leather products.

The veggie lifestyle isn't as compassionate as they seem to think it is.

I dont mind people eating or not eating what they want but it's this attitude of false morals that bothers me.

Either live 100% cruelty free or shut-up and eat your tofu or steak.It's not hard to do.

 

You do realize what veganism is all about, right?

It's not about living 100% cruelty free. If that were possible, we'd all be doing that right now.

It's about *minimizing* the suffering that we can. It's impossible to be perfect; that's why no human being IS perfect. But, we all try to do our absolute best. We can't stop the millions of animals being killed, but combined (and even individually) we can help to reduce that number.

 

w000000000000t!

 

You are obviously someone who has not seen the carnage caused by crop harvesting.

There is no such thing as injured seasonal animals. they are indignous wildlife(that eats and beds in fields all year) hacked to bloody bits by rotating blades.

Animals that bleed to death from their insides from poison nuggets and liquid placed strategically throughout crop fields.

Have you ever had to go into a field the day after a harvest and clean up the mess so as to not attract more animals who come to feed on carion?

How about this imagery? The farmer starts up his combine...and finds some problems like funny noises or stalling.He goes to inspect and find several baby bunnies squished and twisted within the wheels and bands?


Oh..but we don't care about those pesky wild animals...they brought it upon themselves right? We should only care about the poor wittle cows,chickens,and pigs.

No matter how you try to justify it...it's still hypocritical.YOU KILL ANIMALS!

YOUR COMPUTER CONTAINS ANIMAL BYPRODUCTS!

So...either live in a cave,naked,eating fallen fruit or quit acting high and mighty and better then your meat-eating brethren.Because you aren't better.You aren't really causing less suffering.Your mere existance on this planet is a disruption.Your house killed and displaced millions of animals. Your furniture killed and displaced millions of animals.The hospital,birthing home..wherever you were born killed and displaced millions of animals.

Your existance contributes to the murder and displacement of billions of living creatures.

Just own up to it and quit preaching about how great you are for not eating a cow or chicken.

 

Can you even read? Or just type?

WE ARE NOT PERFECT.

NEITHER ARE YOU.

We are trying to get BETTER.

We are trying to find SOLUTIONS to the imagery that you described!

You are NOT.

Solutions DON'T ALWAYS EXIST.

And when they do,
IT IS NOT ALWAYS WITHIN OUR POWER TO ENFORCE THEM.

Stop bitching and griping just because we are threatening your SELF-SERVING way of life, you arrogant (edit: omitted)!

Death will NEVER go away.

But it can be MINIMIZED.

And that is the POINT.

The point which you simply CANNOT seem to get into your BRAIN.

We are not "HYPOCRITICAL" because we CHOOSE to be,
That is the way the WORLD WORKS!

We don't like it, we work to CHANGE it.

While YOU sit in YOUR room in COMFORT, RATIONALIZING and coming up with EXCUSES so you don't have to WORK or be DECENT.

Cynical Otter, ANIMALS gave you your NAME,
And all they want is their LIVES.
How can you be so CRUEL,
To NOT try and give them the BASIC RIGHTS that YOU have?

If reincarnation is true, I would be greatly pleased to see you reincarnated as one of those rabbits you describe, so you can learn exactly WHY we try to fix a world that has been corrupted over millennia and millennia.

We CAN'T fix it,
We can ONLY do what we CAN do.
And we CAN eliminate the suffering,
And reduce the deaths.

To be HUMANE is to be HUMAN.
To my imagination, human you are not.
Just another brainless animal,
Born into a world of suffering,
And jaded by prejudice so he cannot appreciate CHANGE.

This message brought to you by EMPHASIS, INCORPORATED.

 

That's because b-----ds like you won't let us have our way because it means you have to do this:

Grow up.

 

EXACTLY!!!!!! ^^^^

 

hikaru, i'm actually applauding right now.

 

you must be kidding