Militants staging attacks in Iraq are as strong now as they were a year ago

No only to surface looking shills who believe anything they see blazoned in a headline without any effort to examine the consistency of failed machinations in the region all in their own right justified as "liberation" or any other useful slogan of the day that served to palacate the gullible majority.

But of course to those like PB who have no concept of our civic duty to maintain vigilance (save for going ballistic over a blowjob) and hold our leaders fully accountable for their abuse of power, the institutionalised fraud of our election process (i.e. easily programmed electronic voting brought to you Diebold, whose own CEO promised to deliver the election to Bush and did) is nothing to bother oneself about. In fact it's a good issue over which to attack any who do take civic duty and accountability seriously, since in reality democracy is nothing more than a soundbite to these frauds anyways. So long as they think theyve won some victory for their "side" and there's money to be made out of it, what worry for them if the entire system is corrupt to the core.

They are of course comforted in their sanitised ignorance and selective revisionist take on history as they need to be in order to avoid seeing the double standards they regularly employ and the inconsistencies of their pet claims. Pb again demonstrates this by choosing to ignore the bothersome reality that unlike our invasion of and occupation of Iraq, the Syrians (as I pointed out previously) were officially invited into Lebanon by the Lebanese themselves to try to establish peace in a civil war that raged for 15 years.

But PB can't have reality clouding his Murdoch-press inspired vitriol against anything which his pet neocons and their Zionist cohorts have affixed their seal of disapproval upon. We can't be in the wrong, it must be "them".

And so bleat the ignorant sheeple decade upon decade, whilst the real criminals laugh their asses off behind their veils of "national security" and their officially sanctioned "news" reports produced these days by Rove inc and sent to stations around the country ready for broadcast to the dumbed down public.

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It's been a while since I posted in this forum but I had to comment on the discussion at hand here.


First of all, nicely put, Lick. Thats the way to put the conservatives in their place. But the liberals must be put in their place too.

This whole left/right thing is just an illusion, if you will, keeping the American public at bay. The left and right balance one another out and no one is left to move forward. The neo-cons know this and that is why they have the upper hand and always will.

There is really nothing anyone can do to stop this. Except for maybe a foreign power and America and the globalists, Illuminati or whatever else you want to call them will finally be put in their place. The world's saviour will probably be China. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Is there any connection between China and the Illuminati?

Anyways the globalists dont want the Iraqi situation to be resolved quickly. How else are they going to profit off it. Its good for them politically and financially if this thing drags on. the longer the better. Iraq is just another Lebanon.

 

nm, enough said for now.

 

So you're just going to automatically reject any opinion that goes against your own (even from groups that witnessed the election firsthand whereas you did not), because it's "Western"? You're a moron. The "Western corporate" press is the most free and most reliable press in the world.

Again it's obvious that our America-must-die-at-all-costs apologists brand anyone who hopes for positive developments in Iraq as a "pro-empire building apologist."

What exactly were you expecting in a nation's first democratic election in thousands of years?

That's not very practical in the real world. Of course occupying nations are going to attempt to influence the occupied nation; they wouldn't be there otherwise. That doesn't change the fact that the Iraqi people voted for the government they did of their own will.

I hardly think that a few foreigners setting off car bombs in Baghdad implies that the government is not the choice of the Iraqis. Do you really think that THIS would be the Iraqi government that the United States would install if they just wanted a puppet?

Rather than throw stupid buzz words around, and call everyone in favor of prosperity in Iraq a "bushbot," why don't you actually try looking at the evidence and learn the basics of rational discourse? Conditions in Iraq are better now than they were a year or six months ago, no matter what measure you look at. I'm sorry if that goes against your pre-drawn conclusion, but the evidence is clear.

 

If we really want to help Iraq, we should just get the fuck out of there. Let them work out their problems and get their country up on their own. Otherwise they are going to become codependent on us and things back here will deteriorate as we also lose people over there.

 

Don't get suckered by this kandahar, the argument is a red herring. The elected government is the legitimate government of Iraq and is recognised as sovereign by virtually all nations as well as the UN. UN security council resolutions specifically authorised the interim governments, the elections, the new government and the constitutional process.

 

Today at 4:00GMT
At least 22 people have been killed and more than 80 injured in a wave of car bomb attacks targeting Iraqi security forces in and around Baghdad.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4496277.stm

 

Yes of course PB panders to the UN so long as it justifies whatever actions are taken by his neocon heros. Of course when it has repeatedly criticised those actions, then it becomes "that irrelevant organisation, rife with corruption and socialist intent" as is the way of the Rove inspired mindset.

Frankly PB, you have no clue beyond tabloid press what the bulk of Iraqis consider to be legitimate, which judging by the largely unreported and indeed growing resistance to our criminal occupation (which has kept US forces largely confined within the green zone), suggests your view is entirely misinformed. You remain an apologist for wanton US government corruption and nothing more.

If this government is so legitimate then the point you clearly dare not advocate is the immediate withdrawal of every last US soldier. Behind your denials of reality you know as well as I that once gone, the will of the Iraqi people would oust this US-client cabal within months if not weeks. That is not what Bush and co milked our taxpayers to secure for their oil industry cronies.

The lessons of history, however, stand against you and your failure to recollect of our numerous failures in so-called "democratisation" by force or covert overthrow. The precedents are clear enough to those who pay attention to the realities of the region rather than those who delude themselves with official rhetoric and slogans. Within the next 10 to 20 years (if not much sooner) we shall see that reality coming to roost and once again unmasking the presumptions of those, like yourself, for whom democracy is nothing more than a soundbite.

 

I should also point out that PB misrepresents even the notion of "red herring argument". A red herring has nothing but passing connection to an issue or premise under discussion. Not so with the very citation he chose - quite revealing of his own dismissal of clear bases for the "rule of law" to which he, like the criminals he defends, merely pays lip service.

The entire charade of this conquest was predicated upon repeated pontification by Washington of the imperative for action to further "the rule of law". When those pontifications were repeatedly exposed as having no basis in fact, the unilateralist presumption of military right began in earnest, fostering in its wake the media-assisted denigration (once again as in times past) of the UN and other treaties and conventions which comprise the very principle of "international law". Let those with intellectual honesty recognise how little regard for the rule of law this administration exemplifies as it positions those such as Gonzalez and now John Bolton (both of whom have derided the applicability of "international law" to any desired action intended by Washington) in key roles as both national and multilateral arbiters of the administration's will to (and abuse of) power.

Thus PBs arguments are shown to be nothing more than the sanitised surface analysis of outcomes over process. That the UN has been essentially conjoled and ridiculed into offering legitimacy to clear breaches of well documented precepts of international law, might serve as legitimate to the shallow opportunistic worldview of simpletons like PB, but it ignores entirely the corruption of both process and precept which any intellectually honest analyst would acknowledge as requisite for the outcomes themselves to be anything but equally corrupt.

Again one need only look at the "process" applied to Iraq for "choosing" its supposedly freely self determined leaders to see that from the outset, even the candidates were deemed acceptable or not by the architects of this charade in Washington. That allawi, fugitive criminal that he is, remains integral to the new assmebly is but one red flag for any credible analyst that former Iraqi oligarchical interests play the crucial role for continued US-centric intentions for the country.

PB dare not scrutinise too deeply beyond appearances since it would unmask the reality behind the "official" rhetoric he so desperately wishes to believe. Sadly, such self delusion will leave him frustrated as the corrupt outcome of a fraudulent and illegally imposed process once again fails to produce the fruits of true accountable democracy in the region.

That is no red herring, but central to the issue of "legitimacy" before the law (and indeed regional public opinion, which is decidedly and increasingly contrary to his insulated hyper-nationalist perspective).

 

Insurgent strikes kill 18 in 2nd day of Iraq bombings
11 blasts rock Mosul and Baghdad, bringing 48-hour toll to 65 dead.
BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Insurgents unleashed a second day of deadly bombings in Iraq's capital and beyond, staging a series of carefully coordinated and increasingly sophisticated assaults Saturday that have killed at least 65 in two days.
At least 17 Iraqis and one U.S. soldier were killed in the bloodletting Saturday.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050501/NEWS06/505010482/1012

 

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oops i didnt want to post that here. oh well!

 

20 killed in fresh wave of Iraq attacks
AP
05 May 2005


Iraqi insurgents killed at least 20 people in three separate attacks targeting Iraqi security forces in Baghdad today, including one by a man who set off hidden explosives while waiting in line outside an army recruitment centre, police said.

A similar attack on Wednesday by a suicide bomber standing in line outside a police recruitment centre in the northern Kurdish city of Irbil killed 60 Iraqis and wounded 150.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=635750