how to fix/heal the USA

hey we fead at least 70% of the food we grow to the livestock we raise for food, like 20 pounds of grain to a pound of beef so i beg to differ, being veggie could potentially end world hunger and makes a very big difference in the world if you actually research it and dont just talk out your ass..... and its not like we track cows and then kill them for food, we raise them in very controlled environments, there is no balance in any of it.

 

We'll be here. I think there are two options (more or less).

A: We dont change what we're doing and by that time most of us are dead and living more primitivly.
B: We wise up and decided that its best to live more primitivly, but we save the earth before lots die, technology is still used but only for good causes.

 

Hell no we wont last til 3000. It would be cool if we did, but seriously do you really think thatll happen? Theres assholes like me throwing garbage everywhere and polluting the air and just making things worse. BUt theres too many of us, so have fun trying to clean up.

 

You're right, Becknudefk. Too bad there are people like you walking around, ruining it for the rest of us. You'd better hope karma doesn't exist, or you're f*cked. Have a nice day.

 

I never knew meat markets were a controlled environment... huh, learn something new everyday... oh wait you said controlled not good for anything.

If everyone was a veggie and we did what we are doing now, things would be much worse off enviromentally than they are now. Humanity does not understand to plant back what you take. They think that what they have will always be there... and yea I'm talking about humanity in a they them form. i always found it less degrading.

 

I think will stick around till 3000 AD, but we will abandon our natural nodies for a more durbale substrate

 

Anybody ever read Hegemony or Survival by Noam Chomsky

 

Please correct me if I completely misunderstand here, because I am having trouble with keeping up with everyone's point here. But aren't selfish greedy Americans already controlling the population themselves by simply not having more children. Well, some are greedy and selfish, some of this just came about by the changes in contraception and ideas of sexuality changing (ie women can control whether or not they get pregnant). But what I mean is my father came from a family of 6, my mother a family of 4 and everyone else they knew had huge families, like up to 13 or so kids. They were pretty poor (by today's standards) and a lot of those people decided to only have one or two or no kids (even though they make 10 times as much as their parents). So isn't our population shrinking already? Or am I not seeing the bigger picture?

Now I have no idea about the earth causing the population to shrink naturally, but if you want to delude yourselves into believing that the food you eat is "natural" you go right ahead, but we have been surviving for years on man made "food" that has practically nothing to do with the natural earth. I'm sorry but it is true and I don't like it any more than many of you. But I do believe that it will be possible to survive (sure it might suck, but we could live) even if the earth itself gave up on us. Perhaps a bit Sci fi for some. Plus, America doesn't end at your back yard. Don't you realize how much undeveloped virgin land is actually out there. I myself have a hard time imagining it because I live in a city and I too tend to forget about the rest of the world, but there is plenty of land left for us to survive, the problem is how things are managed. Just like there is most certainly enough money and food out there so that no one should go hungry, yet people do, because you or I who make little money and have little control, are the only ones who care and want to help, and those who have the power to do so, don't want to be bothered.

But again like others have said what the hell does this have to do with how to fix/heal the USA? I think that we can fix/heal the USA in quite a few ways. The first way is to wipe out all of the lies that the government is feeding us, and the only way I know of to do that is to educate people. Everyone needs education, but children, being as they are our future, are the most important to focus on. Make sure we aren't lying to them as parents and educators. Having a nation of intelligent people is exactly what our government does not want, because the smarter we are as a whole, the greater the chance of people figuring out what is really going on. That is why they attempt to keep us "dumb". Then we need to make sure the government knows that there really is power with the people, people need to get a backbone and actually stand up for what they believe in. It is sad to see nowadays so many people disagree with our current government, but not too many want to do anything about it (besides bitch). But *sigh* what else is new.

And before you can even think it, I'm not being naive, being naive is thinking that by no longer eating animals, we can save the world.

 

Don't get me wrong I love vegetarians dearly and tried very hard myself to become one. As a matter of fact I gave a very compelling speech on it for my last oral communications project, however like I've stated how the hell is everyone becoming a veghead going to fix or heal the US? Our government will still be fucked and it will still be screwing us all in the ass! How does it accomplish anything? Not to mention that there is plenty of food out there and money to feed those who are hungry it is just that the greed bastards that have it won't give it up because they don't care. I mean think about how much food (meat or otherwise) the White House alone throws away every day. So, while I do agree that it would be beneficial for people to choose to become vegetarians, you can't force that upon people who aren't ready to adopt that lifestyle, and it really doesn't seem to me like it would "save the world". Depending on what you are saving it from.

 

Deadbear (sorry couldn't think of a better way to shorten your name) I fully agree with you. I'm just not as good with saying these things on a keyboard. Face to face I can do wonderfully... just not this. But I have to say first of all i think most people just bitch because we don't know what really can be done.

The protests in the '60s only went so far... people can be easily pacified.

But the concept that this is a person by person thing is only part of the battle... people are having less kids so, as morbid as this will wound, as older generations die out the population will hopefully pleatue or fall slightly. But the governemtn has to start doing things to, even if they seem miniscule. Enovinmental conditions that have been in bad states still are because nothing is being done to stop them.

I'm 19 years old, haven't been in this game for a while. But ever since I was 18 i started signing petitions and such of that nature. As I get more comfortable... and not just been seen as a lowly uni student in the government's eyes I might look into more events.

 

Mono,
I'm sure you convey your thoughts wonderfully, and the more you speak out the more you will feel comfortable with it, especially on this board because no one here really "knows" you. When I first started posting here, I got my feelings hurt all of the time and I thought that perhaps I didn't know what I was talking about, so I didn't say much. (yes, there was a time where I didn't speak my mind!) But with time I realized that no one has the exact answer, all we have are ideas and opinions, and that is great. So please share them, no matter how you feel you sound here. For the most part we can read in to what you are trying to say.

As far as protests of the 60's only going so far, they went further than anything in this present generation vietnam era has gone. This is our war, and our generation isn't doing much about it. Sure people are easily pacified and yeah the zeal for protests did run out in the 60's, but they did a much better job than the youth of this country is doing now. I mean how many songs exactly have come out regarding this war? This in the "American Idol" generation where music is supposedly so important in changing people's minds and making them kill each other, how bout writing songs about what the government is really doing, or the war, or even the environment. It seems like either more young people agree with what is going on (which goes back to the idea that this country needs to be educated in truth) or that they don't care. And if you know any young people it is probably a mixture of both. That coupled with the fact that a lot of people are afraid of the power that the government does have now and less and less civil liberties that citizens have, I can understand to an extent the frustration and lack of a "movement". I still think that we could do more, and I 100% agree that the government could do more. Thing is they won't unless we force them to.

And regardless of your age you can and will have an impact. Continue to do what you feel is important, every little bit helps! Lowly students like us still count

 

I know. For myself I've already decided that once I can I'm not living in suburbiea... I've planned to live on a farm for a long while... and now I'm hoping to add more to that by having woods on the property too. Just some pieces of land that the govenrment can't take to destroy. Even car wise I plan on getting a hybrid, espcailly since right now they don't have the technology to make a truck capable of pulling 2 tons hybrid. Once they do, I'm grabbing that as well. i know both of those don't do a lot for the environment in the long run, but with the fact that I'm also going to have my farm (mostly animal based since I'm gonna be a vet) grow food and such, my family be one less group taking the food that gets the DDT like pesticides on it.

War wise I'm the most confused on. Even my boyfriend in the Army feels this war isn't worth it. It's more now of a what to do feeling... especially where I'm living for college... small republican area. If I knew what to do I could.. but the problem is figuring out the what.

 

Life doesn't follow an infinitely exponential growth curve like mathematical theory does. Eventually the population of a species rises until it approaches the maximum population it can sustain. Then it begins to level off.

 

No I don't think the human race, much less this planet will be around till the year 3000. And if it is I wouldn't want to be around to see it.

 

The planet itself will be here much longer than 3000.

 

I'd sure like to think so!!

 

Well, of course, I don't KNOW that...but I just made an educated guess.

 

An optimist, cool.

 

I try.

 

On the poll: All of the above. Except that I don't think that #1 is going to be practical; something's got to change.


As Robert Anton Wilson so aptly put it in The Illuminati Papers, the future that we get depends on the choices that all of us make now.