What Jesus did for me

A tad off topic... well off topic of what people have done... but really, can't we stay on a topic of one thing. If someone says something that irks you fine, you don't have to turn every thread into a debate.

That said, Frodo, listen to Epiphany, she has a better idea.

And a test for all the bible scholars (to see if they know this and can refute earlier things said), what is really meant in the bible when it say "thou shall not suffer a witch to live"?

 

That was just a set up for the Monty Python sketch. Ohh, and the rest of the religions are a set up for that other sketch where they are beating their heads with the bible.

Of course, it is a set up for more than just the Python sketch, but that is one of the main things the statement is aimed at.

God also tells them not to permit other exciting people to live among them, like necromancers, wizards, Sith, Jedi, Drug Dealers, whores, basically all the kind of people that God's children would enjoy hanging out with. I, myself, am trying to persuade God to give me Jedi powers. God told me "enough of that star wars stuff", but I still think about having Jedi powers (u know, use God as the Force to blow up hot chicks skirts, unhook their bras, basically get them all naked with Jedi powers at a kegger and say "You want to take me upstairs to the bedroom and *!@# my brains out" and the girl will say "I want to take you upstairs....."). And I want to be able to shoot lightning from my fingertips. Of course, my lightning would just tickle people and make them feel good, because I am on the light side of the force.

 

that actually wasn't what I was trying to get to... there's a different trasnlation of the Hebrew word that isn't witch... I'm curious to see if they know what they are.

 

In both Darby and Young's Literal Translation the word is witch.

 

another translation though... that is becoming more prominent except with the fundis, is a poisoner... one who poisons. Just thought that should be mentioned. I'll find the actual places I got the information from (it was for a paper) and get it up here... just need the paper returned to me.

 

a one off topic post about mistranslations... "wine" in the scriptures is most probobly "grape juice" and not meant to be fermented, it was probobly unfermented

 

and just one more reason why things should be read in orriginal texts. if you want to fully trust them.

 

eh...i will not cnotest that.

i was an idiot then

 

Burbot you are not an idiot. When the wine was spoken of it WAS often grape juice. It was NOT always fermented. If anyone would like to contest that be my guest.

 

this whole debate kinda makes me want to gag...and half the time you believers just make your god look like a giant asshole. Why would an all powerfull and all knowing god give two shits if people worshipped him or not? Sounds like god is a bit egotistic hmm? this whole debate is shit, believers aren't going to convince athiests to accept god and vise versa.

 

Well why i said i was an idiot was that I think i was getting to much into the nitty gritty which I think doesn't really matter and defeats the whole purpose of Christ's message.

 

People start and stop believing in God everyday bro. Do your parents command respect? That's what my God commands.

 

my parents aren't gods though...they have ego's and want respect so they can feel in charge. I don't understand how an omniscient, omnipotent being would want anything like that. What the hell would a being like that need respect for? Of course most of the questions and debates i have can easily be put aside, just as anyones reasons for a belief in god can be. Trying to debate the topic just gives me a headache and makes me frustrated lol.

 

LOL It's nothing to get frustrated about man. We're just forum debating.

 

I see it as defending your beliefs bro. But your current point is more than valid.

 

yowser, why is it that there is much anger and hate and disrespect in a christianity forum?!

Note to the non-christians: at least research more into the reality of what it means to be a christian before making wild assumptions and misquotes please. Just because some of you have only had the experience of(or met) people who are hypocrites in their faith does NOT mean we're all like that. Also, we do NOT have all the answers about God, even if some of us proclaim too. The fact is, if we did have all the answers, then Gods purpose would be a little pointless. As God, He happens to be above and beyond our understanding for, is He wasn't, that would diminish His role. I know that you're thinking that's a cop-out answer for not having answers to everything, but, quite frankly, that's your opinion. I am genuinely sorry to be harsh but there really is too much disrespect in here.

Note to the christians: you have a responsibility to share the Gospel, but also to do it lovingly. Love the people, not the sin! And also, we cannot talk or persuade people into suddenly 'getting' christianity and believing it. That's Gods job. All we can do is share the truth, and our personal testimonies and pray that the Holy Spirit would meet these guys. *just a note that needs to be said* Remember, belief in the bible is not just about telling people WHY God exists and HOW He exists, but also to invite people to meet Him. Simple as. If the curious, or cynical, non/anti-christians on here want to meet God all they have to do is ask Him genuinely. "Ask and you shall recieve, seek and you shall find, knock and the door shall be opened"

in love,
lozi x

 

AAARRRGGGHH!! Man, for some reason this is a big one of my pet peeves. It was F'in alcohlic f'in wine damnit aaaahhhh!! It WAS always fermented, every single time. There was no such thing as non-alcoholic wine back then. There is absolutely no reason to believe that wine back then was simple grape juice, there is no evidence at all. The entire argument comes from the temperance movement which decided that to back up its bizzare agenda it would co-opt the Bible. Well they went and read the Bible and found that while it does condemn excessive drunkeness it never once condemns the mere drinking of alcohol. They found further that the Prophets and even Jesus not only drank alcohol, but even turned water into alcohol at times. Their only escape was to lie, up they just lied. Made up a lie about alcohol not existing back then, and so this bullshit grape juice story was born. It is simply a fabrication of the temperance movement.

The lie became popular as the temperance movement grew in popularity. Though the temperance movement is gone, their retarded grapejuice story has stuck around for some reason and is now spewed forth from the pulpit every sunday.

The fact is the back in the day not only did wine have alcohol in it, but it had more alcohol than it does today. The manufacture of wine was necessary for the reason that grape juice would go sour and get nasty in a day or so, and plain old water was often too filthy to drink. Wine would generally be mixed with water to stretch it and to dilute it's powerful alchol content. The harmful bacteria in the water were killed by the alcohol. People back then did not know the part about the bacteria, but they knew that unfit water mixed with wine was safe to drink.

Why does this bug me? Perhaps because it is a plain old lie about history and about Jesus.
It's kind of like when some vegetarians try to claim that Jesus was a vegetarian. Or people who claim that Jesus was a blond haired blue eyed Aryan. Not that I particularly care about what he ate or looked like, and for that matter I don't care whether or not he drank alcohol. The point is one of historical accuracy vs. bullshit.

 

Ah what can religion and "hurt" mind lead to.... even to GOD comign to his bedroom... It of course could be some devil house as he says, i dont believe in GOD. not anymore. But i had in my grandmas house, at her bed id anyone slept there, that night some "mosnter" would come and try to" kill" anyone by squizzing his throat, But grandma )

But this story is easy telling... OF course it believeing in GOD helps you. then it is the BEST thing for you, if you only found urself with it. But all moments that happend before shotgun incident, you were simply in dipression as others. After you just changed and with your power, because only you make your life, you changed it, if you did not want it, it would go as usual.
I dont believe in GOD, and usually i talk peopel away from it, and show them better way of life, and with more opportunities that their brains anad minds can offer. ANd all that happend to me everythgin is mostly positive , because i worked hard. i wanna becoem a proffestionals athlete, adbn i am working on it and so far it is goign great, because i train, eat and life myt lfie right . If i stop doign somethign, i will fail, not because of devil or because i dont believe in GOD but just because i gave-up or dont wanna do this. BUt if i continue working my life i feel , will be great and coulorful much more interesting than praying and sharing ur thoughs with something unknown or just nothing....Only yo ucan build ur life, nobody else....

 

Do I have problems with People that are christians?

No Not at all, my entire family are Christians.

The thing I do not like is how they go about their logic.

Let's break it down...

1. The bible is the word of God and the source of my religion.
2. The bible says God is true therefore, he is.

ok...

How do we know the Bible is the word of God?
The Bible
How do we know the Bible is true?
The Bible

See what I am getting at?

This logic is invalid. Say I tell several people to write a book called The Monolith Volume 1. In this book, I say I am god, you must worship me or I will punish you. If you worship me, and abide by my rules, you will prosper and live a life of peace. And that my religion, Monolithism, is the only valid religion, even though every present religion predates mine.

One could argue that this is true the same way one could argue the Bible is true, its based on the same exact form of logic. People might actually be moved by this book, they might feel the sincere peace described in this book. Does it make my book true... no. I made the entire shit up. Well one could argue that I am not God. According to my book, I am god, so there fore I am. Same with The bible...


Also, to argue that someone does not feel inner peace, because they do not know Jesus Christ is ignorant. You personally do not know what is going on in that persons mind. You will never know, and never could possibly know.

The same goes the other way around. TO argue against people that feel inner peace because they know Jesus is ignorant. You personally do not know what is going on in that persons mind. You will never know, and never could possibly know.