One world or one illuminati, our choice

America is merely a media focal point. Bush a mere puppet. The world situation is not one of 'The US is the big bully in the playground'. The US is merely the muscle owned by the same people who own >99% of the world's wealth and resources. While the media focuses you on the horrors of this country and the atrosities in that one, the big picture is being lost. These wars are only EVER fought to make the rich richer and perhaps to isolate a person who is no longer under control. Saddam Hussein is a prime example. USA put him where he was and they had no problem with that until he had his own ideas. As soon as Iraq seemed to not be a puppet for the unseen overgovernment, time to replace them with someone who is.

My plan. Abandon monetary wealth. A worldwide boycott on buying and selling using money is the only option. Collapse the economy, then swap stuff we actually need. How is it that the world has too much food and too many starving people? One could say that the food is in the wrong place. You could say that food was being kept in the wrong place. But even with food in the right place where are we? Is the USA not home to the 'all you can eat $1.99 buffet' and >1000,000 starving children?

While we view the world as one with English, French, Germans, Spanish, Itallians, Americans, Irish, Africans, Chinese, Japanese (+all countries of the world), men, women, blacks, yellows, reds, whites, heteros, homos and bisexuals, we fail to see the world as it really is : full of good natured people. To categorise people by nationality, creed or personal preferences is seperatism. Which is a polite, technical word for Apartide or prejudice. We only have a few years before something really silly might happen. No one should ever go to war with anyone over anything. Like Bertrand Russel said 'War doesn't show who is right, only who is left'.

Break down all borders. All is one, and we are f***ing up the planet and eachother pretending we are not.

Rant over.

>Please tell me how much much bullcrap I spouted.

All is one entity as God.

 

Exactly. Brake down the economy and use a bartar system. Soubnds awesome but it will never happen. Too many people are too greedy and self-centered to ever think they might have to actually be able to produce something to get what they need. They're satisfied sitting in an office all day, getting payed to help get more money to the business they work for. As long as money is the most powerful influence on the planet, peace can never be. We must all start using the bartar system, and others will follow. Change begins with yourself, then spreads to others. Sorta like a flu bug. The flu bug of peace and screwin' the system!!!

 

Yes. The prolitariot will rise up ond overthrow the bourgoisie(sp?), and establish a classless society where all are equal and there is no war or suffering. Sonds good on paper, but will never work in reality.

Why? Human nature. What you have stated is more or less early communist ideaology, about a worldwide classless society where everyone gives according to their ability and receives according to their needs, but this has been proven not to work when you add human nature into the equation. People need motivation. Period. Unfortunately, most people are too stupid or too greedy to see past their own wants and look at the "good of the community." In the barter ecnonomy that you describe, what will eventually happen is that the market would be flooded with too much of what we don't need (let's say electronics, for instance) and not enough of what we do (let's say medicine and pharmaseudical products). So the economy becomes unbalanced when a person has to trade a dozen TV sets for a few condoms(or something). You would need a plan of production. How do we control what gets produced and how much of it gets produced? The government? That's been tried, and command economies always fail. You woud have to have private individuals do it, but that only brings us back to square one, no one is going to do all that work with no reward.

There will always be the priviliged and the unpriviledged in every society, the haves and the have nots. The best we can do is socialism, where at least you have to be intelligent and hard working to be a "have."

 

People, you have to realize that politics and economy isn't as easy to fix as you think it is. It's very complicated, and simple solutions simply don't work.

 

This is the first time I say this, but I agree a 100% with MaxPower.

 

Damn dude where were you when I was ranting under the stars? I think its gonna take a violent halocaust of sorts to get people to relize materialism is shit

 

Mmmm...99% seems much too high. You're probably exaggerating, unless you can give me a credible source.

We did not put Saddam Hussein in power. He put himself in power and we gave him money in the 1980s during his war with Iran. Yes, we should have been more cautious with who we gave our money to, that was very stupid of us. But we gave him money before he committed most of the atrocities.

I did not agree with the Iraq war either, but please don't say "the US had no problem with that until he had his own ideas." You make it sound like Saddam was some helpless victim who just wanted his freedom from the opressive US. Please. He was a murderer and a tyrant. I have sympathy for the Iraqi people over this war, but not him.

And I'm sure you're the first person to think of that. It's never going to work. Swap stuff we actually need? Well, how are we going to get the stuff that we actually need? And what do you consider a "need"? People have plenty of different definitions of need, and no one is going to agree on everything. If we shut down the economy, who's going to make all the things we take for granted, particularly the medical benefits we've seen. Who will produce the MRI machines, the CAT-SCANs, the prescription drugs, the chemotherapy treatments for cancer patients, the X-ray machines? And while we're at it...Who would even become a doctor if they were just destined to feel taken for granted because they didn't get paid? And who would train the doctors?

And that's just the health aspect of society...think about all the cars, telephones, electricity...the list goes on. Even back in the days of trading, you still had warring tribes and greed--people we're just greedy about the things they traded, and they fought for power and land. Aside from technology, not much has changed with the human race.

Okay, I'll handle this one. Not to sound snobby or anything, but I am essentially an expert on the issue of world hunger. I just finished a year-long high school class where I worked with a mentor studying world hunger. In answer to your first question, it is simple: Poverty. There is plenty of food in nearly every country, but people don't have the means to buy it. Subsistence farmers are always the first to suffer in a bad crop year, because they have no other means of income. As I stated before, getting rid of the monetary system would make everyone poor, instead of getting rid of poverty. It is important to understand that there will always be poverty, it is simply a matter of keeping it contained to a minimum.

As for hunger in the US, we have about 10% of our population that is classified as "food insecure". Food insecure has two types: Food insecure with hunger, and food insecure without hunger. Food Insecure with hunger is roughly defined as households where one or more family members skipped meals on a daily basis. Food insecure without hunger is roughly defined as households where family members avoided hunger by using such techniques as food stamps, welfare, and lessening their calorie intake. The 10% statistic makes up both kinds of food insecure.

10% translates into about 34 million people, or 12 million children. I wouldn't say they are "starving", as the term generally brings to mind "near death". For the most part, people in the US only die from hunger in cases of child abuse or from an eating disorder. However, it can make children do poorer in school and can exacerbate (sp?) existing health problems. PM me if you want to know more.

That's a little extreme. I have friends that are Mexican. I have friends that are Jewish. That doesn't make me "prejudice" because I recognize their differences. We shouldn't try to pretend we're all 100% the same. We should just learn to embrace and celebrate our differences. Just because I label someone as different doesn't mean I think they're inferior to me.

As much as I'd like to agree with this, I cannot. If there was ever a war in the history of mankind that was justifiable, WWII was it. I can also think of situations in which war should have been waged but it wasn't--the Rwandan genocide being one of them. If you don't believe in having a military, research the UN peacekeeping troups, and you'll see how successful it is when soldiers aren't allowed to shoot.

 

There is no such thing, and there never was, of a classless society. it is a sad fact that there will always be those who rise to the top and take over, look at soviet russia, china, america, every society that preaches equanimity knows, deep down, that it is bullshit.
As for not using money, that is the dumbest fucking thing i have ever heard in my life, and i've known some amazingly ignorant people in my day, a barter system is complicated and when applied to a large scale is completely worthless. and even then you are going to get those that are better at it than others exploiting 'the workers'.
So, if we have to have classes (and we do) then why not have a system in place that utilizes a somewhat darwinian approach where the brighest, the best adapted to the environment thrive (by and large, not that there aren't rich white kids who don't know shit) while others wash their dishes.
Now, the true brilliance of the American system is the upward mobility, without it the entire thing falls apart. That is prolly why communism failed, and other systems failed, and why the American way is failing is that whenever your station in society is determined not by your talent but by your breeding and conections ignorance is rewarded and the country fades away.

 

You're all right. At the present time a bartar system IS IMPOSSIBLE.

But that's not because of the system. We don't need to have a system where people seize power and opress each other. There is absolutely nothing that makes me better than you, nor you better than me. We are equals, and nothing can change that. These puppets can keep pretending to have power, but who really has power, eh?

We do. Can the police (the establishment's army) control us all? Whats the citizen-cop ratio in, let's say, New York? We can rise up and take power, but we need to unblind those who would blindly follow. With enough of us who want to truly work toward good, we can do it. We can eliminate the system where people have power over each other. We have but one thing standing in our way - human nature, as ws said above. We need people to realize that instead of trying to live a grand and possession-filled life, while having others starving on the street, we can all live a life of equality, a good life.

Hell, wouldn't it be great if no one fought anymore? Your neighbors were willing to give of themselves for you, and you for them, because you knew someone would in turn give unto you, for the simple sake of helping you out, not for any material reward. All the people sharing all the world.

One day it will happen, and the people can take back the power that we have been deprived of by corrupt officials who just want more for themselves. They want to enslave us - DON'T LET THEM!

 

**yawn**

That will never happen either because I for one (and I'm definately not alone) LIKE the idea of having a police force that can come to my protection in case I get raped, my mother is murdered or my house is robbed. Of course not everyone in the police system is perfect--they're only human for god's sake. Yes, some of them get a power trip, but the vast majority of them are decent people just trying to do their job.

They're trying to enslave us? Please. Unless you live in Sudan, Mauratainia, or some other country where REAL slavery exists, it is inconcievably arrogant of you to proclaim to be under the threat of slavery. I think you owe the 30 million enslaved people around the world an apology.

-Kate

 

Yeah, what she said. You're spouting communist ideaology on more than a few levels. Nothing you can think of hasn't been tried before, and more or less all of it has failed. Our present system isn't perfect, and in some ways it isn't even good, but it works, and it's a hell of a lot better then the systems in a most other places.

 

I'm not actually talking about phyical labor slavery (yet anyway), but more about all of the false ideals this society has embedded in it. Make a fortune for yourself and let the next guy worry about his own ass. Fashion is the most important thing. If everyone's wearing it, you should too. Many people are slaves to fashion, as they are to money.

Just remember: "Freedom is void and human rights are forsaken in the shadow of the all-mighty dollar."

 

That's capitalism my friend. As for people being slaves to fasion and such, it's nothing new. People always have been and always will be a mass of mindless conforming drones, no matter what system of government they are under. A few lucky ones are fortunate enough to be able to see through the bullshit, and they in turn rise to the top.

What kind of government do you think would solve these problems? I think by now everything has been tried.