Again and again I see unbelievers brushing the Gospel evangelist aside, insisting that they produce 'proof' of God's existence; should immediate proof not be presented the unbeliever sends the evangelist off. I must admit that 99.9% of Christians just assume that the majority of the world's population would actually WANT to know God - should He exist. This is a false assumption. I believe that most people would rather not know God. If anything, most people secretly hope that there is no God. When all is revealed at the last day, many, many people are going to be utterly horrified that He does ACTUALLY exist. Unbelievers argue away against the existence of God, not because they don't really believe, but because they are only trying to convince themselves that He doesn't exist - because they would rather He didn't. Why don't many people grope for God? Because they love their sinful, godless lives - period. After Christ's rather unsuccessful Galilean ministry He actually rejoiced rather that despaired. He rejoiced because the things of God are kept only for the sincere seeker. Those who are insincere will never know God, now and forever. I have drafted an essay on this subject (those who are interested) which can be found on my site: Mark Wynne Ministries
I see your point! Very interesting... If you put the must fundamental atheist in a plane about to crash, would he start to pray? I believe so, because deep down in that heart the belief of God is present even though this person does everything to deny it.
I don't love my sinful godless life. The life I love is one without fairytail stories, mind control and other bullshit designed at making me think I'm important. To me the most horrific for me would be for all that shit in the bible to be true, life is too amazing to boil down to those stories. And if there was a god, why would it give a damn about "sins" and such, god isn't that petty.
i think youll find that most of the world would be happy if christianity was proven true, because then we'd all know that theres a heaven. its depressing to be an atheist, imo. but its not about what feels better, its about whats real.
False. I truly believe there is no God. Is there a difference between praying and fervently hoping that the pilot manages to regain control of the plane or the plane lands on a giant marshmallow, or anything that will save one's life? I have a question for both of you: Would you rather that people believe what they really believe, or believe in God simply because, well, there's nothing to be lost by it? Atheism: Pros: Satisfaction of living life without silly fairy tales, being an empowered human being Cons: Possibility of burning in Eternal Hellfire if you're wrong Judeo-Christ-Islam: Pros: Possibility of eternal life in Heaven if you're right Cons: Simply ceasing to exist if you're wrong Pascal's Wager.
well phantom, there are a lot more pros and cons to each side tha that...but i mena, if someone weighs each side, then makes their faith believe as such, thats pretty sad i doubt anyone here has done that
How so ? Just because we don't base our life off of some fairytale doesn't mean we "sin" all the time. Too bad I don't believe in such things as sins. Isn't only your god supposed to judge? Hypocrite. Like I've said before... I'll be seeing you in hell. If there even is one, of course.
I'd like to see your expanded list of pros and cons. (Sorry if that came across as snarky...I'm genuinely curious.) Oh, also, I think everyone here has weighed both sides and made their belief as such - nobody reasonable person will believe something when they think that there is stronger evidence for another viewpoint. That's totally irrational.
Mate ~ there is no "proof", let alone "immediate proof." Belief is belief. Fact is fact. Where are the facts of the belief you support?
He wouldn't start to pray. Most likely he would start to hope. Or who knows what he would do, everyone's different.
It is a huge assumption to make to assume an unbeliever would be horrified to find god exists. I personally enjoy the idea of a god, of the supernatural. It is entertaining, imagnitive, and the idea really helps a lot of people that have nothing else in their lives. But I am just completely incapable of believing there is a god - more specifically a god as defined by the christian religion. I just can't wrap my mind around the logic of it, I couldn't believe if I tried (and believe me - I have tried) And I am no more "sinful" than the next person. I have very high standards for myself, for how other humans should be treated, and how our planet and environment should be treated. You are probably right to say I would be horrified to find out that YOUR god exists - but only because I don't have much respect for an all-powerful being that would send his own creations to suffer eternal torment after their death simply because he wanted to punish them for not believing in him. I am not adverse to the idea of a god, and if a god presents himself to me I will believe in him. But really, I think your post just shows you have a narrow-minded view of what an agnostic or atheist really thinks. But you obviously dont care to change that, but that's ok. At least I am not the one wallowing in a closed mind.
What logic? Personally, I've never believed or tried to believe. Having grown up in very religious homes all of my life, I think I've seen enough.
firstly, i dont think anyone sits down and jus decides what to have faith in...but to humour you, my athiest one probobly wont be as strong, not being an atheist Atheist Pros Following your own path Not being lumped into a "group of fundamentalists" Not being seen as close minded Pressure to convert toa religion Cons Often called immoral Called blind Seen as an antagonist often Judeo-Christain-Islamic Pros You know whats gonna happen to you [at the end of your physical existance on Earth] You know God loves you You know there is another side to life You know things happen for a reason Less pressure to convert to a specific religion Cons Seen as closed minded Seen as an ass Often antagonized You often get lumped into fundamentalist stereotypes
