Help for my plants

My three plants are about three weeks old. Growing under Agrosun lights on a 18/6 timer schedule. They are all about seven inches tall (if they stood up). They all have very thin stems and two have fallen over. Leaf growth is good and looks healthy but it seems to be going very slow. They are just now on the third set of leaves after the seed leaves. Does anybody with any REAL grow experience have any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

 

you would probably be better off asking the forums at overgrow.com

 

i did an expirament in like 5th grade and i found out that artifical light makes taller but weaker skinnier stems and the sun makes the thicker and stronger.

 

Like Hell!

29 years and counting, for me. How many at overgrow can say that?
Probably only geckopelli!
But theres to many book-experts there, so I rarely visit.
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Welcome Riff,

If you stick around here you'll meet meangreen and tiedyed and others who speak from LOADS of experience- in every aspect of the plant. Not a kid amongst the bunch.
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Stem elogation is usually a response to heat, in the form of tempurature or over abundance of red-light. I don't think the latter should be a problem with the light you've got.

What is the ventilation situation?
The temp in the grow room should be comfortable for you; too hot for you is to hot for the plants.

another possibility is simply that the plants are to far from the light source and are over streatching to reach it.

Be careful not to over water, as this also contributes to mushy stems.

 

as a side note to geck's response..

He gave out several variables that could be a factor to your probelm..

Here is one more.. It is possible you have all the above variables correct, but still have a problem with weak stemmed plants.. Do you happen to have a fan blowing in the box to strengthen your plants stems??

Also, you could have your plants rootbound.. What size containers they in at the moment??

 

I have a small fan ciculating air through the room right next to the plants to keep humidty down and give the stems a reason to grow strong against the breeze. The lamps are about 8 inches above the top of the plants. The heat is not excessive. I can barely feel teh heat on my hand right above teh plant. I am only using two 60 watt bulbs for my three plants. Not sure if heat is a problem. Maybe I should try setting them outside for a while? I hate to expose them like that.

 

Use a fan, that'll make the stems stronger. Also if you want try and tie them to a stick and grow them up that.

 

If it is only 60 watts put them 2 or 3 inches away. It seems like they're stretching towards the light.

 

when you said argoson.. i assumed HPS or MH.. Is this a flouro light??


If so, Then the lights should be 1-2" away from the top of the plants..

 

Another reason for weak,spindly stems that cause plants to fall over is also caused by a pottasium deficiency as well!Slow growth can be attributed to lack of nitrogen and or calcium!

 

If you mean incandescents bulbs, that's your problem.

They won't work. Crappy spectrum and low energy efficency.
Little if any THC production will occurr.

Move up to Compact Flouros at the least.

If it's a flouro tube, the plants should be an inch or two away like BigBong said.
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Heat is to be "measured" two ways:

1) the light on the plant- as you did. If this is extreme the plant will burn, not elongate.

1) the temp of the air. Cooler temps (to a point) make for shorter, stonger stems. Too high temps make for long internodes and soft or hollow (or both) stems.

 

"If you mean incandescents bulbs, that's your problem.".....geckopelli


If you would have read his post more thoroughly, you would have noticed he said he was using AGROSUN bulbs...they are FLOURO's. Sounds to me like he had the bulb too far away, that will cause a plant to stretch a whole hell of alot more than high temps. You said you have been growing for 29 years?

 

Guysmiley,I am sorry to burst your bubble but until you can average .7-1 grams a watt minimum indoors with any Hid light you are still learning.I viewed the pics of your grow,not alot to talk about in my opinion,obviously you got through it and now have something to improve upon and I commend you on this as alot better than some could do. Actually I am here to tell ya that its negitive energy with all your ranting/raving.Be glad you got .4 grams per watt at harv and learn from it instead of thinking your the shit when the pics of your grow prove you have lots to learn as I have over the years and will to continue to for years to come for that matter.Here are 3 ladies that at harv weighed just over 4.5 z's each,about .8 grams per watt after harvest.According to what you say,you are curing out about .4 grams per watt;something is wrong with them #'s buddy,that is about 1.6 grams per watt at harv! I checked out your forum ,all the pics and there is no way in hell you cured out 1.5 z's per plant unless those are the only plants that produce buds already cured,LOL!Your 2 would have had to yield close to what mine did and yours in no way carried the yield of mine.It is not hard to put things in perspective when referencing to containers etc laying around in the pics on your norternberry site.Relax bro and grow on from what ya know and strive to learn more and eaz back on the negitive vibes as Geck has a world of knowlege to share if ya would get off your high horse and give them fingers/lips a rest!Peace and relaxation to ya!

I can grow,but lay no claims to being a photographer!


These are all organic,my soil mix,marine algea extract in first week veg(quick root developement),ST 1 time at trans to eleviate any potential stress/shock, no ferts, only water!Bent/broke to fuck to achieve 38 tops under 1-430 son agro.NL5 x Kush,a little cross I threw together!

 

those plants looks incredible.. what kind of enviroment do you grow in if you don't mind me asking? what i mean is...what is your living situation? i don't know when i will purchase a house of my own and i don't think most apartments would be safe, so those photos are merely images in my head now

 

I use a active air ventilation system with 465 cfm squirrel cage fans and a charcoal filter maintaining 74-77 days and 63-66 nights with 45% humidity in a crawl space!

 

My bulbs are Agrosun 60 watt incandescant. This is my first only probably only grow. I just wanted to see how far I can get the plants. It would be nice to be able to just grow my own smoke but I have a location problem with doing any real growing. These are just for fun. I'm not gonna spend too much on the lighting and stuff for these. Thanks for all of teh tips. I hope theese turn out okay. I have set one out side to get real sun for awhile. The other two, I lowered the lights to about 4 inches. Even though these are incandescant bulbs, they are supposed to be ideal for growing because they offer the natural sunlight spectrum. We will see.

 

Use more light, or move it closer, if they are falling over- you more than likely are overwatering,(you said"if they would standup") and they are damping off from root rot. This will kill them- slow down on the water- plants need way less water indoors.fell how light the container is with just the dry soil in it, and feel how heavy it is with water in the soil- this should be your major indication when to water- lift the pot, and if it's getting real light-it needs water.
If you put them in a window - the sun should help without burning them- if you put them outside- do so on a cloudy day- very overcast, and the plants should get through it o.k.

what kind of soil are they in-how big of containers?
and yes i have been growing outdoor for over 30 years now, but im learning to indoor now, and it's really way trickier indoor.

also, the fan curculating is not enough- they need fresh air exchange-cool comes in ,and the hot needs to go out.I been indoors all year and im just now getting my two squirrel fans today.

matter of fact im gonna go track them- see if they are on the truck yet!

Oh and you might want to look into getting a flourex from home depot, those baby's start the little ones out, like the sun can't even do. Flourex are cheap crappy lights you cannot beat around- cannot see why they would call them a shop light- but they make exellent growlights.

these were two weeks old at time of pic! exclusively grown under flourex.

 

what the f%&k smiley, you some kinda hells angel or something?

you will never learn any more than you now knoiw if you always come across to people with an atiitude- go hang out on overgrow- more of your kinda people there. over here we share knowledge in a decent manner because we are mostly grownups here. 20's is still a kid by the way.even late 20's.

 

by the way smiley- ever been to missing beach? L.O.L.

agro sun has incandecents too spot grow they are called and if you would have read the thread you would know that is what he is using- spot grow incandecent 60 watt full spectrum.

bet you dont feel ten feet tall now.

 

Rizz,

Don't give-up the ship.

I've grown weed under every type light under the sun (well, I have yet to bud any exclusivle under CFs) including those bulbs, and although they will not work for decent bud production, there is a way around that:

if you can place the plants in the sun for 4-6 hours a day, the bulds can be used to regulate the lenght of the day,
(fill out the rest of the 12 hours of light), as opposed to actually providing the energy to grow the plants.

Get them on 12 hours dark cycle now, and you might have a shot at a couple of primo OZ's.
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GuySmiley,

Holy Northern Lights, Batman!

geckopelli was right! incandescents indeed!

P.S.

Thank you, MG.

Now he knows what his garden ought to look like!