It's all fine and dandy to say that we can afford to lose jobs more than the Chinese, but have any of you lost a job due to outsourcing or had a parent lose a job? My parents have both been unemployed for 2 years. My dad's previous job was moved to India. It wasn't manufactering, but the principle is still the same. Nothing can justify to me how hardworking people like my parents can just be told sorry and lose their jobs like that. America may be rich as a whole, but there are still many people under the poverty line. I'm all for helping the poor, I'm one of them, but the country needs to deal with her own first and foremost.
Don't count on much happenning that way with Dubya in office. He has to make himself seem nice to the foreign countries so they don't give him shit about his wars and what not. But you can't full out discard foreign goods. There are some companies that are foreign companies and you can't get as good of items from State companies. Sure it makes sense to buy State goods if they are made in the States to a compatable level, but some natural foreign are okay. Can't think of anyone better than Japan to make Pocky. But sending American jobs away is something that irks me. If you want to help, help them raise money to make their own jobs, don't give our jobs to them.
Personaly i agree with kandahar.. My work place has a office in india we were recently taken over by a american company . wich is rather funny ??.. But anyway.. It is sad when people lose jobs but you can't realy blame 'china' or any other country realy..its the actual country that you live in that makes it easier or more difficult to keep business afloat, but it is also a global economic world we live in (now more than ever).. i hope within time we are all roughly on the same kind of level all over the world. if that means a job cuts here or there erm well ..thats the way it will be. The arguement about 'sweatshops' will only last so long and then what will people blame.. I live a stones throw away from factories that employ immigrants that have migrated for economic or other personal reasons.. they do the work 'we' don't .. not just cheap labour but all kinds from doctors to nurses and builders.. The days when everything was made in country and people had jobs for life are gone..
Bree, response from Robyn Morrison at Chaco: (hey she has a good name ) Hi , We make all our Performance sandals ( Z1 and Z2s - which are the bulk of our sales ) here in Paonia, Colorado. Last year we introduced our Z/rivative line (the Flip, Dipthong and Zong). We did not have the capacity here in our factory to produce this line....Paonia is a rural town of 1700 people and 70 miles from Grand Junction, so it's not always easy to draw employees. We had two choices: have them made somewhere else or not make them at all. We decided to have the line built in China. Our sales staff, product and development staff and owner regularly visit the factory that builds our Z/rivatives. Meanwhile, we moved our warehouse to the town 30 miles down the road to free up space in our Paonia factory to accommodate the machines and people to build this line. Since April 1st we have been building our Z/rivative sandals here in Paonia. It was a challenge to get things up and running and the challenges continue, but we are committed to finding ways to keep production here in our Colorado factory. We also introduced a leather sandal line - the Andale - which is made in Portugal. For the reasons above and because we couldn't find a factory in the US able to produce the leather line, we chose to make them in Portugal. ----------- Robyn Morrison Chaco Customer Service Paonia, CO So the next pair will be made in Colorado!
Somehow andale made me think of Andes... and then it'd be interesting for it to be made in an Andes country
It's called capitalism. It's all fine and dandy as long as no American gets hurt but as soon as capitalist principles are applied in a way that effects Americans badly you all start going on about how it isn't fair. If Americans were willing to work for the amount of money that Asian labourers work for then the factories would stay in America. But they aren't, and therefore companies looking after their economic futures move elsewhere. If you live in a capitalist society then you have to accept the laws of economics. I know it's hard and I don't doubt your parents are good hardworking people (I certainly don't mean any disrespect to you or your family by this post), but companies have more responsibilty to their shareholders than to their employees. I'm not saying that's right, but it's the American way...
What's happening in America is just a natural step in any industrialised country. The further a countries economy develops the less it relies on the manufacturing sector. The manufacturing jobs move abroad and the home economy becomes more based on the tertiary sector. Its basic stuff that has happened in countries throughout the world for the last 100 years. I live in Hong Kong. The majority of HK citizens used to employed in the secondary sector. The economy expanded rapidly, land and labor prices rose and the manufacturing jobs moved across the border to China where it is cheaper. It happens the world over. Your country has no special 'right' to those jobs, the companies will go where it best suits their interests.
Ok I guess here's where we wrenchmonkeys come in. I've known and accepted for years the days would come when menial labor just wouldn't cut it in America anymore. But, hey, someone else can sell it, someone else can make it, someone else can even buy it. But they'll always need someone to fix it, right? (I need to make that Wrong! buzz sound right here) I really didn't see this coming. 15 years ago we joked about seeing VCRs on the impulse rack at Kroger's, and I'll be damned if that hasn't already came and passed. Nobody wants anything fixed anymore, by the time it fails they've already got something that will do 3 times as much in half the time, if you can figure out how to work it properly before it breaks. I can almost picture my grandson walking down the street kicking an old cell phone 'cause he's bored with his PS3k. I'm not sure there were too many people who were ready for this. Yeah The Mechanical Revolution isn't actually ancient history, but we didn't go from horse & buggy to Lear Jet in 10 years either. I don't think it's so much a matter of people losing their job that's upsetting some of us, but rather the knowledge we may become obsolete before we have a chance to enjoy the junkyard.
In 1905, reporter and famous author Jack London learned of japanese intentions against america. People laughed at him and 35 years later we all know what happened. Japan became rich and powerful cuz american corporations invested heavily. Likewise, china has long-term plans to take asia and crush america's might and become the sole superpower. In the mean time, again, american corporations invest like there's no tomorrow and help to fund china's war production.
Japan didn't become rich until AFTER World War II. I don't see why we need to consider these other countries as enemies that need to be beaten into submission. They should be considered trade partners, and there's an excellent economic opportunities for both Americans and Chinese. China hasn't shown any signs of aggression toward America (or any nation with the exception of Taiwan) in decades, so I don't see how you can say that they plan to "crush America's might." Rather than an aggressive military buildup, I think China will just try to gain more of an influence on the world through economics.
Japan was rich before and after wwii. Are you aware that china has fought with almost all its neighbours? It lacks militarty strength for now, but it's only a question of time. It's communist, dicatatorship, nationalistic and imperialistic. And we will thank people like you when the yellow perril is upon us.
In 1955, Japan's GDP per capita was only 21% of America's. By 1990, Japan's GDP per capita was 86% of America's. Right...ITS NEIGHBORS, not America. But really, with the exception of aggression toward Taiwan and a few border disputes with Vietnam, China hasn't shown any signs of imperialism in decades. Quite the opposite. China is NOT communist by even the loosest definition of the word, nor is it imperialistic. Give me some examples of Chinese imperialism, aside from petty land disputes that China can at least lay SOME claim to. "The yellow peril"? Are you trying to emulate Joe McCarthy?
I agree Yellow Peril is a bit much. and it goes back farther than Looney Joe. Besides, by now some punk band has used it....
General Motors Ford Chrysler Saturns are built in the US Chaco sandals (now) Many things are made outside of PROC
hi,i am a native chinese in china, in our factory, the workers earned wages between 700RMB and 1200RMB, i am an mechanical engineer, i earned 2500 RMB, about $300 per month, hope you contact me to continue to discuss it, our boss earned 30000,000 RMB last year,my e-mail :bei771114@126.com
our leader of state said that all achievement belongs to the Communist Party,............,not other any one ....shit....
Kandahar vbmenu_register("postmenu_1287802", true); is a communist guider of voices,ther are so many voice guiders in chinese forums, if you expose any issues of the goverments on chinese public forums, you will attacked soon,damned even del your posting right on net, so.....,