i am totally opposed to war in all forms and all drafts,and will not fight if called, but it seems like thats the only thing that will result in a mass based antiwar movement. When are they going to announce the draft? Why dont they do it soon, the sooner they announce the draft the sooner we can stop the war.
Well in some aspects, the National Guard being one, they have protected them by setting rights that are not going to be changed. People who join after the changes will be affected but Army National Guard is still going to be 6 years with deployment only twice per person and for no more than 18 months.
A draft is neither necessary nor desirable for the military. Technology has advanced to the point where a relatively small number of soldiers can, ahem, "liberate" a large number of people. It also destroys the morale of the military. Soldiers who are there against their will are less likely to follow orders, and more likely to cause dissent among the voluntary soldiers. Barring the outbreak of WW3 (which is becoming less and less likely every year), I can't see any scenario when we'd ever have another draft.
I am thoroughly confused. I hear from some sources that they are getting incredibly close to reinstating the draft, and then I hear from others that they never will. Which is it? I wish there was a definite source of information on this subject so I can either put my mind at ease or get ready to protest.
There's no evidence that the military is even CONSIDERING reinstating the draft, let alone "getting incredibly close" to doing so. Anyone who tells you that is trying to scare you for whatever reason.
Whatever people believe about a draft, now is a good time to start a paper trail of evidence for anyone who is interested in being a conscientious objector. You should tell your beliefs to family, friends, church officials and members, and other groups. Write it down in your diary and have other people recognize and sign your statements. If and when a draft starts, it will give you some ammunition for supporting your objector status. .
Doesn't it amaze anyone that they're having trouble finding recruits for this war? Go to any college or even high school and there are loads of young people in favor of this war, ardent Bush supporters who think the Iraq War is a glorious endeavor. Yet none of them want to fight themselves. It's always, "oh no, I can't fight, I'm in college. But good for those who do, it's a good war that needs to be fought" or some other bullshit excuse. It's always "someone else" doing the fighting. On of my friends is like this, but he's busy in Germany for school. I say, if you're such a supporter, pick up a rifle and go. Otherwise, shut the hell up. I'm sick of all these yuppies going on and on about how we need to invade this or that country but never seem to want to join up themselves.
Yep. Too bad the government doesn't have a paper trail of all the youth supporting Bush and his invasions that it could use to draft people. PS: You forgot one more excuse: I'm too busy playing my Gamebox. .
The govenment is making arrangements for a possible draft as a contingency. If they weren't, they'd be insane. With ground troops stretched thin, another disturbance that would require ground troops, such as a problem with Korea, would become a major problem for the U.S. military. Terrorist groups are aware of this and it wouldn't surprise me if they deliberately started altercations in other countries to distract U.S. ground forces. .
Well looks like they're offering up a very short (at first glance) enlistment opportunity of 15 months now. Of course once that's up the enlistee still has to spend seven years in the 'Ready Reserves' which are currently involved in active duty conflicts, so in essence, 8 years, three months. Blah, they're throwing it all over the standard signposts. Of course these young people who are all waving flags and wearing bush ass aroma cologne aren't willing to step up. That's been the case since day one. And of course mommy and daddy flag wavers would get all bent out of shape too. It's ok for somebody elses son or daughter to go fight, just not their own.
I really don't understand this draft bullshit. I'm Canadian, and yes I know what it means. But why the fuck would a government force people to fight for shit they may or may not believe. "Oh, you're an American, you're supposed to be patriotic and stand up for your country". Since when does the location of where you are born have to do with how patriot you are. Just because you're born in a country that is going to war, doesn't mean you have to support it. The thought it it really bothers me.
I'm thinking that if America DID get in a situation where it had to fight on another front, such as North Korea, it still wouldn't reinstate the draft. It'd just abandon one of the old fronts. It'd probably be more politically disastrous for our politicians to reinstate the draft than it would be to abandon Iraq (or more likely Afghanistan), claim victory for democracy there, and send the soldiers to the new front.
There are big problems in the U.S. if decisions regarding national security are being totally dictated by politicians' concerns about whether or not something will damage them politically. You have a point, though, because the U.S. recently pulled about 3000 troops out of Korea for deployment in the Mideast. .
They won't get a draft. You know why? Because with a draft, the people will expect the war to be over quickly. And that's the last thing our corrupt government and military complex wants. They are purposely planning on keeping this bs war as long as they can, and use it to take away more of our rights and freedoms, open up more agencies, continue the fear mongering, and push more patriotic propaganda. It's a sick trick.
People often use the argument that the military prefers the all-volunteer army because those are the people who signed up voluntarily and want to be there. That's totally true anymore when you consider middle-age people in the reserve who retired ten years ago are being called back. It's a draft of sorts.
"The page cannot be displayed The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings." So what's there? Anyway, funny story, after I tried to click that, I tried to go to the second page of this thread and got the same thing. I thought my internet wasn't working, so I tested www.gamefaqs.com. The site has been transformed into a giant marines advertisement. It's not just plastered with advertisements - they changed the blue frame around the edge to a massive black marines advertisement. The military is getting really fucking desperate. Didn't you hear about how we're going to close a bunch of domestic military bases and send the people stationed there "abroad"? The military is running pretty thin, and if America hasn't already learned its lesson and continues to wage war (which doesn't seem unlikely), I'd say you can probably count on a draft.
Yeah. This is what doesn't make sense. During the summer of the 2004 campaign, Bush said he was going to be bringing military people home from Europe and other places to stay in the U.S., yet now we hear about base closings and sending more troops overseas. Doesn't sound like a coherent plan. Sounded good to the relatives of the overseas troops during the presidential campaign, though. .
