Pages of a book and falling off a cliff

I just let my friend try some salvia 10x for the second time in a while, and he had a much more intense trip than the first. he mentioned something about the edges of objects and such in my room taking over his vision, just as I had experienced. Also, he mentioned how he had this sensation the pages of a book were being continuously turned, and he was worried that no one would know when to stop turning them. He was somehow connected to these pages.

Has anyone experienced something like this? If yes, please go into detail about your experience.

Another thing I noticed about my trip that others noticed was a sensation of falling. More specifically, trying to hold onto something and then losing my grip and falling. More specifically my brain grasping onto the edge of a cliff and its fingures slipping off and falling down through another dimension of random images and sensations that I would never be able to put into words.

One of the most interesting things about salvia is that while everyone's experience is different, some aspects are very similar, like the two mentioned above.

For that matter, if you know of any other "common" sensations and experiences that occur in the general salvia experience, name them.

 

Hmm ... I'm not sure if I've felt the pages turning in a book thing or not. I described something that probably felt similar, but I described it entirely different. To me, everything in my vision flattened out into 2D, and then after a few other bits of randomness, it started ... well, it bent and twisted, and started sort of crashing down on me, kind of like, if you can imagine being at the beach, and being pounded by a 10 foot wave every half of a second. I compared it to a rolled up carpet bouncing and flapping down a flight of stairs, with each bounce, it was like reality was being folded like a blanket or carpet, and then crashing down onto me. =P Not sure if you can compare that to pages turning in a book or not.

I don't think I've ever had a sensation of falling, though.

 

Interesting. The reason I mentioned pages of a book as being common was because I saw a post by redgreenvines mentioning something about pages of a book as well.

I think everyone can agree that salvia tends to "throw" your brain around.

Salvia makes you feel very trapped and hopeless in an unknown world, and that is why it's never fun, and most people choose not to do it again.

 

Well, perhaps it makes YOU feel very trapped and hopeless but that's definately not the case with myself or my g/f or any of my friends. It is a very big jolt to your perception, and it is hard to get your bearings... i just kinda feel like i'm at the mercy of wherever the salvia wants to take me. I agree that it may not be fun the way a roller coaster can be fun, but it's a fun of a different sort... personally, i'm a very curious person, i don't believe in bad trips because even a bad trip is something to reflect on and learn from, effectively becoming a good trip. If you're having a bad time when you do salvia than it's probably not a good drug for you at this point in your life. So far, i've noticed that people that try salvia once and then don't ever want to do it again, are people without a lot of experience with psychedelics or people with 'issues' or 'hang-ups'. If you see the world as a pessimist, salvia won't turn you into an optimist. Salvia forces one to be adaptable, like most psychedelics. I always get that bit of nervousness before each trip cause i know it's gonna be 'intense' but i don't consider that i'm gonna have a bad time... so far all my salvia trips have been good, even though some have been very very scary... but that's what i like about it. Don't eat an apple if you're expecting an orange.

As far as the 2D thing... my very first trip was a good example of that... the room flattened out in front of me.. into a 'stage set' type of look... and a pair of very strong blue arms was pushing the set to the side, revealing the world underneath... it was very circus like and although it seemed hectic and chaotic, there was definately an order to it... my first thought was an alternate reality, with other being-type-things trying to show me what it was all about. (was listening to some 1920's/30's Louis Armstrong during it all, if that makes any difference about anything... that might be why it seemed circus-like).

Anyways, i guess that's enough from me...

 

I agree with what you said, and I wasn't putting salvia down for not being fun, but what i said was definitely true about people not wanting to do it again.

For me, I took salvia once, and it was intense and scary, and I paniced, but just as you said, I'd never consider it a bad trip. It's been the most intiguing experience of my life to this point.

You were right when you said you're at the mercy of salvia.. I felt this way too, but I suppose I was a bit off when I generalized about people feeling trapped and hopeless. When I'm at the mercy of something of the likes of salvia, I consider myself trapped, not in a negative way, but certainly in an uncomfortable way. Other people may not call it "trapped", but I'm pretty sure that even the experienced salvia user wouldn't say a trip is a nice, comfortable experience.

 

Its definately not a "comfortable" experience, but if you know that itll be over before the drop of a hat, its not that bad. I think the pages of the book is an alright analogy, because I felt like a spiral., ITs all tunnel vision, i think.

 

i see, just a matter of us using different words i guess... i can agree with what you're saying... i just find that whatever you call it, it turns out to be... i try not to call the feeling you get on salvia 'trapped' because it seems it has darker connotations than something like 'riding the wave' or 'submitting'... just a matter of preferrence i guess. Reality is what you make it (or what you call it). Whenenver i'm dealing with any sort of psychedelic, i've found that i'll think i've made up my mind about it's nature and how it affects me... but then the next trip totally blows that out of the water. Things are only as they seem as long as you want them to be (pretty much assuring this reply obsolete)

As far as what you said about it being 'true' that people don't want to do it again, well, i can agree and disagree (after all, duality is God ;-) I think that people don't want to do it again the way people don't really want to jump out of a plane to skydive... a natural response to a particular stimulation that the body/mind doesn't like. I think that's why it's fairly normal for people to feel apprehensive when they're about to take a trip... some people are more apprehensive than others but most people return time and time again, despite an inherrernt signal in their bodies telling them not to.

It'd be weird if i didn't have a bit of fear going into a trip but i think that's what makes you respect it... if you could totally control every aspect of how something affected you it might not be as fun.

 

I had my first dance with the lady last Thursday, to level five and back in about twenty minutes. It was the most terrifying thing I have ever experienced. Everything I had ever been, achieved or known, ceased to exist as if it had never existed at all. I myself never existed at all yet I had always "been". I took one good hit and held it deep for about twenty seconds, then started to exhale. Before the first puff of smoke left my mouth, the world started to "change". 3D became 2D like cardboard cutouts of reality all stacked in a row. I went to sit down in a chair and I must have fallen because the chair and I both went over backwards. My "sitter" came to my rescue and tried to help back into a safe position as I had fallen into a corner in my shed and there were a few dangerous objects there (stupidty revealed). I did not realize the nobility of his intentions and in fact, did not even realize he was there. I just felt the world falling from beneath me and I was fighting to regain my control (big mistake). Salvia is in control and apparently does not like to be opposed. My body felt cut in two along a vertical axis, kind of like when you float on your back in the water, only this was not water, it was indescribable. It felt as if the rear half of my whole body had merged with the rest of the world and as I stumbled to my feet it felt as if I had to carry the weight of the world with my on my back. My "sitter" said I thrashed about for a few minutes and when he tried to help me up I had what he called what he called "metal retarded" strength. I was panicking and I remember thinking that I had ruined my whole life. I was happy being a father of two with a lovely girlfriend and a steady job, but now it was as if I realized that all of those things were just a lie that I was allowed to believe because they never really existed. The closest analogy I have come up with is when Neo wakes up in "The Matrix" and is told that his whole existence has been a lie. For a brief moment I believed I was actually a mental patient in some sanitarium somewhere and was finally accepting the fact. Everything had been in my imagination. After a few minutes I started to see the "real world" again and my buddy assured me (several times) that I was indeed a father of two and that it had just been the Salvia. The next 40 minutes or so were cool as I had a great marijuana like buzz and I was trying to put into words what I had seen that scared me so badly, but my sentences just wouldn't come together. For teh next two days I swore I would never do Salvia or even weed again. A week has gone by now and I have had plenty of time to think about the factors that led to my bad experience (disco light, first hallucinogenic experience in twenty years, not respecting the drug enough, too eager to be stoned which is NOT the result you get from Salvia, falling over backwards was a nightmare.) I WILL dance with Lady again but next time I will let HER lead the dance and take me where she wants me to go. I tried to fight it too hard because it scared me. Salvia Divinorum is NOT a party drug. It is not a "make me feel good" drug. It is a ticket to a new perception of what reality is and what the world is really made of, pure energy. The air was as thick as mud and everything in the world was connected by it. I am eager to try again but with a more mature (BTW, I am 33) objective than just being stoned. I want to ask the Lady to take me back in time to see certain events unfold and I believe she will oblige me if I am respectful of her power.

 

Sorry I didn't paragraph that mess, I just typed what came to mind. Some English Major I turned out to be.

 

I don't know if these are common among other people, but some of the sensations present every time I use salvia are

Multiplied gravity - i feel extremely top heavy. If I'm standing, my upper body tends to be sucked towards the ground with immense force. If i'm laying down, it becomes impossible to get up.

Salvia also crushes all of my body below my neck up into the roof of my mouth. In every trip, I feel as though the roof of my mouth is supporting my weight (as opposed to my legs or ass). Basically, I become nothing but a head when I trip, and the sensation of pressure exerted by the ground on my feet or behind is always transferred to the roof of my mouth.

 

The term is affectionately called, "Salvia gravity." It's very commonly reported, though a rare few people don't experience it.