TAKING THE OFFENSIVE! - wish there was another way

The end-times doctrine encourages the attitude the original poster complains about, but he wasn't saying all people who believe in the end times is like that. And saying "all fundamentalists" is nothing like saying "all catholics". We aren't talking about one religion or one race of people. We are talking about an idea, like terrorism is an idea. And plenty of people say "all terrorists...(insert random criticism here)" without any argument.

 

I am not confusing fundamentalists with extremists. What I am referring to is not the simple belief that the end of the world will come eventually. I am talking about people who are following a particular "End times doctrine," as I pointed out in my first post. I am talking about those who are working toward/preparing for the end times, directly. I am talking about people who have lost their concern for what the world will be like even a hundred years from now. Where Christians are concerned (most of them, anyway), I've come across another term which describes this sort of person: Dominionist. I haven't come across such a term for people of other faiths who are following this doctrine, yet, but that doesn't mean that there aren't more specialized terms for them.

What I'm most concerned with is the political impact of this movement. It is the politicians who hold to end times doctrine which I feel are most dangerous, since they are the ones stripping away our countries environmental protections and seeking to keep us from entering into environmental accords with other nations. They are the ones attempting to legislate Christianity, most recently by trying to do away with the judicial system, but through other measures as well.

Elected official and the people who are seeking to have them elected because of this particular doctrine are dangerous. THIS is what I'm concerned with. These people are ACTIVELY preparing for the end of the world - in many cases, they are attempting to help bring it about.

I hate to burst your bubble, but that's not true. As much as I'm sure you would like to be able to blame the anti-Christ for this, according to Revelation, the anti-Christ arises in response to the conditions created by the four horsemen.

Who do the four horsemen of the apocalypse work for? God. Who begins the end of the world? The four horsemen. Who is, then, ultimately responsible for this whole catastrophe? God.

Perhaps there are people who post to this thread that are confusing the followers of end times doctrine with fundamentalism, but I made a careful point at the opening of this thread to separate simple fundamentalism from this doctrine. There are people who are not fundamentalists who also follow this doctrine (though it seems that the vast majority of dominionists are fundamentalists).

Once again, to recap: Simply believing that the end times will come at some point is not following end times doctrine, ACTIVELY PREPARING for the end of the world is. From what I have read, the second coming is supposed to arrive "like a thief in the night," and the bible actually instructs NOT to attempt to bring these conditions into being on our own. People who knowingly vote for dominionist politicians, who are trying to legislate biblical morality so as to bring about a Christian State are not obeying this instruction. This is the larger part of the danger I'm writing about. This is what has to be stopped. The activities of cultists who are working in other ways to help push the wold toward the brink are also a part of this insanity, obviously, but those people are in the minority. It is the pro-Christian State political activity which seems to be on the rise that worries me most (at least as far as the U.S. is concerned).

My rhetoric concerning the genocidal nature of the OT god and his obvious plan to return to that same genocidal nature at the end of the world, destroying it to create a new world, is a matter of my own opinion. Yes, I do believe that deity is evil (I have outlined my reasons elsewhere). It is only by association that I could possibly say the same of Jesus - and I'm not the type to believe in guilt by association. As I have said before, it is "the father" I am concerned with in this particular context. The events in Revelations have yet to take place, whatever actions "the lamb" (who is associated with "the son" or Jesus by Christian symbolism) takes in that book have yet to manifest, so at least thus far, Jesus has yet to do an evil act (this will change the moment he opens the first seal, however - then he will have joined his father and turned to the dark side).

 

Thanks for the support, there, Sera Michele.

 

Well I absolutely agree with you. I also feel like fundamentlism (not just end-times doctrine) is a major threat to freedom and human rights. Just look at the human rights improvements through history since religion has started to lose it's control in governments. Women are treated so much better, children are treated better, more knoweldge is spread, more people are free. It is certainly not perfect, (many fundamentalists think society is worse - but that is just plain denial of human history) but it has been getting so much better. I consider myself a humanist, and I don't like anything that threatens the progression of human rights.

 

I agree with the fact that it is ridiculous for those Dominionist, as you say, to believe and put into practice the idea that because the world will be coming to and end, one should relinquish all ties and responsibilities. The end of the world is something that mankind can neither bring about, nor fail to bring about. The belief that humanity obtains the power to do so is quite foolish.

According to the Bible, the Anti-Christ is a man who will be possessed with the Spirit of Satan. Satan opposes God in every way, shape and form. Saying that it’s God’s fault for him doing so is the equivalent of telling a child it’s their own fault for being teased because they are overweight.

Notice that the second part of my post, where I made that statement, was directed towards Seamonster66, who quite blantantly insinuated that ALL fundamentalists were this way. This in not the first time he has spoken negatively of fundamentalists as a whole.

 

It's good that we agree, here. I thought I might give an example of this kind of thinking. This is an extreme example, and more than 20 years old, but it's among my favorites(From an article by Bill Moyers):
"Remember James Watt, President Reagan's first Secretary of the Interior? My favorite online environmental journal, the ever engaging Grist, reminded us recently of how James Watt told the U.S. Congress that protecting natural resources was unimportant in light of the imminent return of Jesus Christ. In public testimony he said, 'after the last tree is felled, Christ will come back.'"

For the rest of this article online:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1206-10.htm

If that's the case, then the Anti-Christ will respond to the four horsemen by bringing about world peace, feeding the starving, and curing the sick.

 

I can appreciate your perspective and attitude towards the "end of times doctrine' and the effects that that type of attitude can be detrimental to the spirit and overall outcome of the actuall- ending.
but as concerned as you are about the results that state of mind will provide US with, do you realize what the alternative is?

"BUT - HAVE YOU REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE IT?
These people aren't interested in stopping the world from ending, THEY WANT IT TO END!"

Of course they do! Do you blame them? What do you expect?
Have you really thought about what it would mean if we had to stay here forever? Or what if your grandchildren and greatgrandchildren have to live in the world we have created for them?
The way most people see it now, our future generations will be suffering the consequences of our actions, yet we keep going.
I don't think our forefathers ever looked at it like that, but we do.

"Here's the basic idea, in a nutshell: God comes to earth, causes a big war, lots of people die, then he gives his favored people (and there is quite a bit of confusion as to who these people are - it seems everyone thinks that they are included) a paradise to live in forever. In some versions, he remakes the world, in others, the entire universe is destroyed and paradise is recreated elsewhere."

If you do a little dig'n, you'll find that it's not really a basic idea. I know it's easy to generalize 'them' because they belong to organized groups of belief systems... but if you talk to people one on one, most of them have as much difficulty describing the rapture, an afterlife or a heaven,
as they do describing an actual or physical description of 'the God', their God.
(of course they all think they're right)

"Something must be done about it, soon. We have to use every legal means at our disposal to rid our governing body of these dangerous people."

Our hands are tied as individuals and we have gone many months and several years past the possibility of an 'organized' uprising in this country, or the reality of an underground movement bringing about a message with enough strength to cause an evolusion.

"People who believe that we are in the "end times" are capable of extreme actions. Remember, they expect their god to come and save them, so, much like owning a "doomsday device," they believe they can act with impunity."

Your deep enough to talk about 'god' and 'they' as if you are equal to or above them or us in some sense. And since you are speaking for the people of this world who have faith in something greater, and/or their creator...
you've obviously found some comfort in that position.
It may or may not be a character flaw, but some of us are quick to generalize situations that have no effect on them,
and even if 'no one knows you', God, the future and the end of times doctrine attitude concerns you... it obviously has an effect on you.
so don't be so quick to seperate yourself from the rest of the world.
The grass is not greener.

(I agree with you btw)

 

I think there are several alternatives; most of them provide little comfort given the current trends in our society. But there are a few that provide me with a more positive outlook and they all require our governing body to behave as if the world will continue to exist for another billion or so years (or at least the next seven generations). Let's face it. those of us who have spent enough time studying the history of civilization have probably already come to the understanding (I have) that the U.S. has reached it's apogee and is now in it's decadent phase. These cycles seem to be getting more rapid as history progresses, so who knows how long our fall will last, or how hard our landing will be. This will be among the earliest such "falls" in the West where the general populace is relatively well educated (the decline of the British Empire is a good example for us to look at as another model - the fall of the U.S.S.R. yet another). We can learn from these things and take actions to "cushion" our fall, or we can hit the bottom with such force that we take the whole world with us - I think the "End Timers" (or I'm now seeing them referred to in other forums where I'm discussing this matter as "millennialists" or "Dominionists") actually prefer the latter.

One of the best things about the bible and similar sacred texts, is that they contain symbols which describe such rising and falling cycles in civilization. Yes, we are in decline - by some reckoning these are what might be termed "end times" but this doesn't mean "THE END OF EVERYTHING." We need to be smarter than that.
Yes, we're on the verge of destroying ourselves with nuclear weaponry (several countries have them and it seems we are becoming increasingly eager to use them). Our thoughtless treatment of our environment has created a destructive (for humanity) trend in atmospheric conditions which will take great effort and sacrifice to reverse. Our own children are growing up to be more violent and less well educated (at least in the examples we see on the news) than we expected. In short, we've got major problems. However, in our history (in the Earth's history, for that matter) nothing has been so bad we couldn't adapt and overcome (there is evidence that even some of the dinosaurs evolved into species which were able to adapt to the cataclysmic events which devastated the majority of them). Our greatest weakness in this arena is that we human beings THINK. For once, this is a detriment because it means that we are making choices against what is best for us. Instead of instinctively following the natural path toward normal adaptation, we are clinging to faith that some higher being is going to come and save us from ourselves. We are capable of saving ourselves (really, we are) but only if we can wake up our populace to the idea that we can't just push this responsibility off onto some other being. This is like a Civilization-wide twelve step program of sorts - we can recognize a higher being, we can recognize that our actions are harmful and that we have done irreparable harm, but it is WE that have to take the responsibility for it and do something about it. Otherwise we simply continue along the same path. We can't do it alone, but we can do it together - we MUST do it together.

Transcendent concepts are very hard to put into words (art seems to be a better mode of communication for such ideas), and in every case, no matter how hard we try, we cannot seem to exercise the ambiguity from our attempts at codifying these things.
I do realize and readily admit that the group of people I'm most concerned with is only a small part of a much larger body of people with similar beliefs - but this particular group is extremely active and far more vocal and organized (and well funded) than I would have thought possible under normal circumstances. I think they are in the minority, but you'd never know it to see them in the media. Certainly their political power has made them far too dangerous to simply let them continue on their path. It's time we made a real effort to push them out of their positions of power before they do any more damage (like perhaps achieve their goal).

True. But if (as I believe) we rational humans are in the majority, we don't need an underground movement or an organized uprising - we simply need a strong grassroots informative campaign. Take the message to your churches, to your political meetings and rally, to your book club meetings, social gatherings and push the issue. Don't let people steer away from the topic simply because it's uncomfortable.
I know it's not an easy thing to do, but certainly each of us has three or four friends who we can make see the need for such action. If we can get these people to back us up, to bolster our courage in larger groups and support each other when others try to shout us down or change the subject, we can prevail. This is a fight against mob mentality. It's hard to face down the mob, but it can be done and once people begin to really think about the implications of "end times doctrine" they will have to admit it is the path of the insane, and it is folly to remain on it. The push in the other direction will gather strength quickly once we wake the people up to it. For once, we can do something intelligent that will have a tangible effect - "Oust the "end timers" from power and save the world!" Who wouldn't get behind that?

Okay, I'll cop to this. The 'they' I refer to, is representative of a stubborn lot who is loud and organized, well-funded and politically powerful, this is true. That makes for quite a Goliath to take on. Their faith in something greater isn't my issue. I have faith in something greater - most people do. I'm founding my need to feel superior (and let's face it, this is a real need - If I can't feel superior to the 'end timers,' I can't be 'fighting the good fight.' That would take the wind out of my sails and leave the path to our destruction clear for them to cheerfully follow...the end) on a moral platform. It gives me ammunition and righteousness to point out the genocidal nature of 'their god's' plans for humanity. I doubt that many Christians (or members of any other Abrahamic religions- that's another new label I've learned for followers of the Judeo/Christian/Muslim religions) will agree with this assessment. I hope not. I hope that they will find the strength in their indignation at my assault to root out those who ARE following this genocidal god in the name of their own religions as heretics and cull them or educate them to understand otherwise. As it is, they are reticent to confront those who claim to follow their own faith - it's easier to point at one of the other faiths and blame them. This can't continue, so I attack the root - their god. When they see how their own religion is being perverted, then I think they will fight - no one wants to admit to worshipping an evil god, but the "end times doctrine" makes it an undeniable fact - root out and destroy that doctrine, and you can believe once again that your god is good.

It is my connection with the world - my belief that everything in the universe has some real connection with everything else (a belief which has a sound scientific basis laminated to it, strengthening it), which drives me. The "end times doctrine" is diametrically opposed to my own. It posits not only the end of life on Earth, but of the entire universe (an insane terracentric [new word??] belief, which will ultimately be its undoing - its Achilles heel, so to speak). I don't separate myself from the world; I connect myself to the universe. Oh, I most definitely am concerned with the future, and the 'end times doctrine,' and it does have an effect on me. Although spiritually, I "know" that the universe will continue whether humanity survives or not, I also "know" that we have much more to offer to the universe than a simple parable, a cautionary tale about how misdirected faith in strict dogma can destroy what it was created to save. Such reversal is an important element in Greek Tragedies, btw - it's something I'm well trained to recognize.

 

you are definitely long winded, and I appreciate the time and effort you put into expressing your thoughts....
but what are you trying to say?

It doesn't sound like you're taking the offensive anymore.

What if you came to the conclusion that you are a God, or that you are the one with power to make all of the insanity in this world stop?
Would you start to speak from the heart or present yourself to your peers as you have done here?


"we simply need a strong grassroots informative campaign."

In a perfect world there would be a product that could serve as a fuel source, a food source, a paper source, a textile source, and this product would be easy to produce in any of its forms. Believe it or not such a product does exist; it is the plant known as hemp. No tree or plant species on earth has the commercial, economic, and environmental potential of hemp. Over 30,000 known products can be manufactured from hemp.

Hemp was a common crop grown in the U.S. until 1937 when it was unjustly banned. A common misconception about hemp is that it was banned because it was a widely abused, harmful drug. Hemp was banned because it was a competitive threat to the wood industry. Corporations that profited from the demise of hemp spread rumors that marijuana was a major drug problem, which it was not at the time. They also propagated a campaign that it was a drug that induced uncontrollable violence, another complete falsehood.

Hemp is the plant scientifically known as cannabis sativa. It is referred to as hemp when it is grown for its fibers, stem, and seeds. Its leaves and flowers produce the drugs marijuana and hashish. However, sterile breeds of the plant are still illegal to grow in the U.S. Literally millions of wild hemp plants grow throughout the entire Midwest today. Wild hemp, like hemp used for industry purposes, is useless as an intoxicant. Yet U.S. drug law states that one acre of this can result in the owner being sentenced to death. The death penalty exists for growing one acre of perfectly harmless, non-intoxicating weeds!

Hemp can produce any product that paper can produce. The difference is that one acre of hemp can produce four times as much paper as one acre of trees ( a study done by the U.S. Department of Agriculture). Also, a crop of trees takes twenty to fifty years to be ready for harvest where hemp is ready to harvest four times as much in just a year. In addition, hemp produces twice as much fiber per acre as cotton. Twenty five percent of all pesticides in the world are used on cotton, averaging to four pounds of chemicals per acre of cotton in the U.S. every year. Since hemp is a natural repellent to weeds and insects, it needs almost no insecticides or herbicides. If it were substituted for cotton it could greatly reduce the pesticide usage. Again, hemp can produce anything cotton can and what's more it can produce it better. Levi Strauss tested a pair of hemp denim jeans and the results showed hemp jeans to be 65% more durable than the average store bought pair.

Hemp produces more biomass than any other plant that can be grown in the U.S. This biomass can be converted to fuel in the form of clean-burning alcohol, or non-sulfur man-made coal. It is estimated that if hemp were widely grown in the U.S., it could supply 100% of the nation's energy needs.

Hemp seeds are also a source of many products. The seeds contain high protein oil that can be used for human and animal consumption. Hemp oil is not intoxicating. Extracting hemp oil is cheaper than processing soy beans and it can be processed and flavored in any way that soy beans can. Hemp oil can also be used to make butter, cheese, and tofu. In addition to food products, hemp oil can be used to make paint, varnish, ink, and plastic substitutes.

One of the many high points of hemp is that it's easily grown. Unlike almost all hemp substitutes, hemp can be grown in all fifty states. During the Second World War, the government temporarily re-legalized hemp so farmers could grow it for the war effort. Hemp helped win World War II!

It is high time for this country to take a second look at this product. After reading these facts I challenge anyone to come up with a reason to maintain the hemp prohibition. Two of our founding fathers, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, were hemp advocates. They said hemp was a necessity to the success of our nation. Now we have an even greater cause than that; the success of the planet. We cannot continue to butcher our forests and pollute our soil and water with chemicals to meet the demands of our every day lives. In turn we will never be able convince enough people to change the way they live to do any good. Fortunately, we have the perfect solution right under our noses: hemp. However, this solution will not do us any good until people realize its potential, and this will only happen if the word is spread. I can only hope that enough people are educated before it's too late.

"Make the most of the hemp seed, sow it everywhere." -George Washington


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Like that ?

 

I'm still on the offensive. It's hard to tell, I know, but when the prosecution rests, does that mean that they have changed their mind about the accused? No.

I have said what I need to say. I'm saying similar things on other forums. The problem seems to be that I have soundly trashed all would-be detractors in this forum. They no longer respond to my attacks (they know they can't win). I've given my advice:

Take the fight to them. Don't let your community become a victim of this kind of thinking. Speak out both online and in your churches and community gatherings about the "end times doctrine" and how we need to stop it's proliferation in the political arena. We can't afford to elect people who's work in office will be more informed by insane religious beliefs than by the needs of their constituency.

This is a strange question. I'm not sure how to answer... If I had the power to make all the insanity in the world stop, what form would that power take? The easiest way would simply be to kill everyone off (like the "end timers" expect their god to do), but I think the experiences we are creating on this planet, both good and bad, are useful to the universe, as a whole. I think the purpose of life is to experience what the universe has to offer.

If I were a god with the ability to perform miracle on a mythic scale, I'd probably be tempted to curse the worlds politicians to be incapable of deception when communicating with the public. But, that would probably result in the vast majority of them being assassinated (it would be a start, though). Possibly I'd try some other massive miracle, like taking away all weaponry of mass destruction, but I think the quick, "miracle" oriented methods never work the way we want them to. There is always a backlash.

Better to start with the children and let them bring the change about themselves, when they become old enough to take the reins. To that effect, I would "re-engineer" our educational systems across the globe so that children would learn to think critically (so they could be inoculated to the effects of consumerism and the faulty reasoning of politicians and religious leaders) and have equal opportunities to learn, regardless of socio-economic circumstances. That would be the wisest route, I think.

As for my own current methods, I am doing more than simply speaking from the heart. I'm an artist. I'm creating other works which will transcend language and deliver my message on a higher level. But these things take time to develop - it will be a few months before any audience can be exposed to my work in this area.

That's what used to be called pamphleteering. Some of our countries greatest citizens worked this way (Thomas Paine, for instance). And yes, it is among my methods - my opening post on this thread is much like this method of communication. It's a good way to start, but actual person-to-person discussion/confrontation is also recommended. It's not as easy to dismiss someone who is in your face as it is to dismiss a written work - which you can simply put down or walk away from.

 

Maybe it's a strange question for most people, but it shouldn't be so strange for someone like you. It's actually a question that you need to know the answer to if your going to dismiss the credibility or ability of the 'wishfull thinkers' God's power to provide His people with the outcome they are expecting.
I've thought about what you consider the simple solution to the greater problem here... save the planet, kill all the people. Initially it sounds like a perfect idea because we assume that we will result in causing the death of our own race as well as our source of life. (your end of times doctrine theory)In a billion years such an event might prove beneficial to the rest of the universe, but that's a little far fetched for me. I guess my mind's still stuck, or concentrated on what takes place here, in this world... which is actually the center of the universe.

What if you are a God with the ability to perform miracles on an actual human scale? and you still had the responsibility to produce the same results? I think the people who deserve to be cursed, will be. They certainly won't maintain their role of power if they are willing to 'truthfully' explain to Us what happened.
I also think taking the weapons as well as the poisons that mankind love to possess in this world would be nearly impossible. Only a God with ultimate power (for example a computer or Matrix type entity) could turn off a mans internal switch that causes him to cherish what is most precious to him. You would have to make their possessions worthless or undesireable before they would ever let their 'vices' go. It would be possible to take away the power of the dollar, or the devil.. which I think would eventually provide us with the same results.
And your right, there is always a backlash, and in my mind the biggest one is the result of taking the power and ability our government has to feed and provide for helpless and needy people all over the world. If you seek the change you want to see and somehow caused or created that kind of miracle,
you would be responsible for (hypothetically speaking) saving the planet, by killing many of the people. And I don't find much comfort in the fact that a time must come when the strong shall rise and the weak must fall. In many senses, the introduction of a God or Revolutionary figure to this world will also reveal a mass murderer. That is quite a bit of pressure, responsibility and confusion for one conscience to consider or deal with, but it has been done.

I feel sorry for theese children, they are exposed to sickness, destruction, death and find themselves in a state of 'wondering' in their develepmental years that people my age are still not capable of understanding, much less being able to provide the children with proper answers to their important questions. I'm 32 years old, part of generation X. I have what I consider a respectable perception of the world as I see it and understand that most of it has been 'presented' to me in one form or another. The age group that I consider as 'the children', who make up the wasted generation cause me the most concern... they are our future and the result of this world going to far with a vacancy in the positon of Control. I think among other things, it's going to be a God's responsibility to initiate a form of 'sterilization' throughout the world, and to realistically think a simple man could ever achieve that much power and respect... it's much easier to percieve a mythical God. I agree.

As for my own current methods, I am doing nothing more than dwelling on it constantly, yet I rarely try to communicate with others about my thoughts or their construction. My attempts online have been as unsuccessfull as those made in person. I'm trying to muster the courage to cause or create a miracle that I don't want to see happen... bring about the change we all need but don't want to experience, like trying to find the strength to bite the hand that feeds you if you were down on your knees. But in my case there really is no other hand that feeds me, in an aspect the system provides for me as a result of the work I put into it... never have I felt like it held me down on my knees. So initially, any fight that I would instigate would not be for me.. and hopefully if I ever started fighting (talking) it would kick into my head that I'm fighting for or against everybody else, and that it is irrelevant what happens to me.
I'll be travelling home early next month for my little sisters wedding and will get the chance to spend time with the absolutely most beautiful family and group of friends that a man could ever ask for, the same people I had to run away from 14 months ago because I couldn't speak my mind without hurting them or causing them to worry about me. I guess I want to see everybody again and get a chance to tell them all good-bye and how much their Love and understanding meant to me, 1500 miles away.
Then I will talk, or concede defeat.
So far, do you understand me?


(and thankyouverymuch for continuing discussion with me, I was exhausted before reading your responce friday,,)

 

I should have known better,

maybe I should wait a couple more days of not getting a response from someone who's on' the offensive in 'online stand' before letting you know that it chap's my ass that you haven't responded yet. but it does.
oh well,,, i'm used to it.... being ignored.
but so are the rest of you.


Maybe some of you will be interested in a program that will be airing on Sunday June 5th on FX called "Oil Storm"

it's based the scenario of ... "what would happen to you and your surroundings if you went to work one morning and saw this sign?"

 

Sorry, I'm really busy just now. I'm committed to three theatrical projects (actually two theatrical and one film) and my house is being remodled. I'm, not ignoring anyone, I'm just tending to my life, which has suddenly move into high gear. When it settles down, I'll take more time for this, but it will probably be a few weeks.

I get ignored too, you know, my posts often go unresponded to, I'm getting used to it. Offline life takes priority (or it should).

Sounds interesting, wish I had time to watch it.

 

what part of "the extreamist is going to kill us all to rush the end " do you not uderstand?What they dont reconize god has his own time clock and will have the end come when hes all good and ready to do so.The earth can make itself wrose with help form the devil.Come to think of it some of these extreamists sound like the devil who is making things worse for all mankind so god has but no choice to destroy them and all evil.They are the evil ones who have filled the church with nonsense and they will pay.And the worse part is......THEY DO IT IN GODS NAME.I talk of no-religon in-pretiular

 

The ones who know God know you will be safe and laugh at your fears just like you laugh about a child caught up in some silly drama that you were caught up in as a child.

 

Please, show me where the words "separation of church and state" are written in the constitution?

 

It was the first ammendment made, so it was obviously very important to the writers that there be a seperation.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Amend.html

 

The intention of the first amendment was clearly to prevent the government from instituting laws to adopt an official state religion, thereby discriminating/blocking the rights of those who did not practice this religion. Further, it states "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" meaning that the government cannot make a law preventing you from practicing your religion no matter what it might be. It's pretty plain English. Nowhere does it state "seperation of church and state" or "Freedom of (or from) religion". These are terms invented in the 1930s and argued in front of the Supreme Court by various non-Christian groups in the interest of having Darwinian theory taught in the public schools (which was successful, thank the Goddess).

The current administration, however, would have you believe otherwise. If you do not believe in and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, you should be deported to Canada or France or some such other heathen country (in their eyes). See you in Saskatchewan!

 

Spain appears to be the place to go. If the U.S.A. becomes the U.C.S.A. (United Christian States of America) and appoints our first Holy Emperor, that's where I'll be headed.

 

theatrics, maybe that's what's missing from this journey.
"Saskatchewan?
Spain ?"

Just find a place with a little chunk of land, and a climate that tickles your fancy.
So much for the benefit of discussion, break a leg in the theaters and don't forget your balls when you flee the states.

Hurry !


Quote:
Originally Posted by "†"»AMBER«
Well Sir we are living in the end times!! Jesus is gunna come back and that scares the shit out of you!! ITs NOT what WE THE PEOPLE want its what GOD wants in anything even the goverment Should be doing well they should be praying and asking GOD how to do stuff not us the people,


"Thy kingdom come, thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven."