Drugs and your views on this subject

what do you think of those drugs that are refered to as mind expansion drugs. Do you think they shouldnt be used at all or all the time? Are they safe?
My personal thoughts are that it is ok for people to use them but for the right reasons and the right time. There are to many people who use them in the wrong ways and can cause damage to themselves. I have heard stories of bad trips and i feel bad for those who had to go through them. They say its like your worst nightmare becoming reality.

 

I totally agree with you. I think they definitelly shouldn't be used all the time.
I have a friend who uses speed and ecstasy just to be noticed.

 

Just like everything else...they should be used in moderation. Timothy Leary speaks of the "set" and the "setting". Mind-altering substances should be done with a guide that you can trust in completely. Marijuana, on the other hand, is less dangerous than any drug (alcohol included), so a "guide" isn't necessary.

 

i agree with as well. Drugs like acid or shrooms should be used sparsly for expanding the mind, not just to have a good time.

For one thing i have learned, is that a few of my friends do shrooms way to many times (at least 10 times this month), and i feel that it is only going to hurt them. But, like me, i only use them if i can twice a month, because i feel that it helps me become enlightend. Although many people may feel enlightenment can be reached without drugs, i think drugs are a good guide to reach enlightenment.

 

says i gotta have at least one character...

 

Marijuana can lead to an understanding of ourselves, the universe and God. I read those words here on the forums awhile back and consider them to be about the truest words I've ever read. Right off without pot and psychedelics would there be a hippyland to begin with? Look at all the info here, learning is mind expansion isn't it? I first smoked and dropped in 68, and have given the matter a lot of thought over the years most of which I've continued to smoke, with an occasional break of up to 18 months at a time. One of the great things about pot is it brings about a less aggressive personality in most folks, something which big buisness and goverments loath. Psychadelics showed the early pioneers like Leary, Ram Dass, Huxley, Messner, Alan Watts, Kesey and many others that theres alot more to reality than what is available to us through our so called normal unaltered senses and lead them especially Ram Dass to go to India and other points east to search for answers to whats really going on. Ram Dass's book '' Be Here Now'', is a classic of psychedelic literature and I highly recomend it. Ram Dass whos name used to be Richard Alpert was Learys research partner at Harvard in the early 60s. The history of LSD in the 50s is very interesting a guy named Al Hubbard was going around distributing it to some of the most influentioal people of the time and is worth reading about on the net he was a real mystry character, really cool. Bill Wilson cofounder of Alcoholics Anonomous is qouted as saying he considered LSD to be as harmless as asprin. BW and his wife did acid with Alodous Huxley and his wife in the midfifties I read this in ''Pass It On'',his official biography. The U.S goverment started a campain to smear psychedelics in the 60s which continues to this day unfortunatly, they try to control us by fear in many different ways and this is one of them. I hope you folks stay away from meth and crack especially and read plenty. I'm going to pick up Stephen Gaskins, "Marijuana Spirituality", next time I'm at the bookstore too. One thing leads to another on the psychedelic highway, I'm pretty sure Bill Gates did some acid too and look what he's done to expand the knowledge of the world. Well before I get to rambling too much, happy trailssss.

 

blu raven has got a point but I disagree. Most people who smoke pot are stupid, and stupified by the pot. I don't like stupid people. Of course, I am refering to my def. of stupid.

 

Let people use drugs if they want to. Let personal responsibility mean something again in this country.

Lizardman0: That is a rash and ignorant comment. Pot doesn't make you "stupid". I don't know what your definition of "stupid" is, or why the fuck you're being so anal about this, but I can assure you that you're views mean little without knowledge on the subject. If you actually knew a little about marijuana, you'd atleast be a little more educated.

But I digress.

Drugs shouldn't be used "all the time." They can be used for mind expansion, coming to terms with your inner self, etc. All that good stuff. They can be used for the wrong reasons, and always will be. Nothing can change that.

 

Drugs to me are not so much unlike guns. They can kill, they can save, they can let you gain, they can make you lose. I've taken LSD a few times, never really 'tripped'. I've tried crack, didn't understand what the 'madness' was about. I did start smoking because I thought it looked cool, I've taken Vicodin for years at a time, after a while it begins to be a problem if you don't handle it right. There are so many ways I could go with this, I'll try to stay on topic but drugs are so much more than most people are willing to credit them for.
blu raven is on target here, about any drug. You must understand what it is and what it can do and can't do, just as you must know how much powder to load into a .38 hollowpoint to make the deer fall without tearing it's spine out of it's body.
DRUGS ARE NOT BAD! The information we have about them is however quite questionable. If you want to smoke, drink, get high, snort coke, or just be able to deal with the bodily pain God blessed you with, you need to know what your options are. Minds, contrary to our Government's belief, are not a bad thing.

 

let people do what they want. i really couldnt give a shit if some 12 year old a thousand miles away from me is smoking meth and eating acid at the same time. his choice....

anti-depresants are so cool.

i, for one, am one of the ones who takes drugs for just a fun time. well, i used to... started back up tonite. sorry, body..

oh yes, for songwriting too... ill be thanking myself in the future.

 

im not going to be the one to dictate peoples lives. if you wanna do drugs, have fun. i for one like doing drugs when its right. although i try to stay away from hard drugs as much as possible.

either way, i couldnt give two shits if people use drugs for "the right reasons"

 

Use them if you want to; do not use them if you don't. It's all good as long as you don't hurt or disterb anyone in the process.

 

Everything can be used or abused, it is not the substances as such that are dangerous, but the way people use them. I think it is a problem when people take psychedelics/mind expanding drugs with a consumer attitude, or to get as wasted as possible, but when you use these substances with respect, they can give you insights and teach you a lot about yourself and the so called reality.
I don't think it is adviceable to use mind expanding substances "all the time" because the experiences are very strong and one needs time to understand and integrate these experiences. If one doesn't take that time and just keeps on taking trip after trip there will be an overload of information that didn't get processed and that can lead to people freaking out.
About the "bad trips" I think that there isn't such thing really. Sometimes the experiences on psychedelic drugs can be scary and confront us with parts of ourself and our reality that we might not like to look at, but these experiences can give us the highest learning once we processed them.
I believe that it is no coincidence that these substances exist in nature, but that they are there for a reason. They are tools for us to explore our consciousness. If we use these tools in the right way is up to us.

 

Imho 'drugs' are just poisons that effect the mind and body.. i don't believe such things are 'out there' to expand our minds etc .. we just happened to stumble upon them like tobacoo and alcohol etc.. Having taken a few 'drugs' before i think they only tap into a level of your mind that your open to exploring anyway , when i was 'comeing down' most of the things that i was thinking about were just clear madness.

 

Drugs = awesome creativity. I wrote what is so far my best song last nite while tripping.

 

id like to hear it or read it.

 

I'll go with my usual on this one. I don't think anyone has any right judging anything unless they have experienced it and, only then, can make a true judgement. If you have actually experimented and then form an opinion either positive or negative, then I will respect your opinion. I don't get how so many people can judge mind expanding drugs negatively if they have never tried them. What could they possibly be basing their opinions on?? other peoples opinions?

They only drugs I have tried are the mind expansives, I chose not to try the others because, from what I've heard, they're not for me. I've seen two types: those who can handle occaisional drug use and maintain a "productive" lifestyle and those who can't handle the same drugs and the drugs take over and ruin their lives. The latter is a real shame and I hate to see it happen.

For some reason I also feel uneasy about anyone under about 18 or so frequently using drugs of any kind. I can't really explain it, it just bothers me most of the time. I guess, to me, life was just naturally mentally stimulating and mind expanding during my teens; setting the foundations from which I base my identity. I hate to imagine what a mess it would have been if drugs would have been a prominant part of that time.

 

I don't believe there's a universal truth out there - which means no one is going to find it, regardless of how much acid you take. Be somewhat realistic here. Acid is really fun, but it also makes you really dumb, really fast. Coke is really fun, but hard to stop using for some people, and bad for everyone. Advice would be moderation, but people can do whatever the hell they want.

 

you got msn? i hardly post anything of mine anymore, paranoia that it'll be stolen, etc etc.

 

That's a very justfied fear. A shame that artists can't express themselves here because of all the theft going on. That song does sound intuiging, though. I wish I could write songs...

About the drugs; I don't think it's wise to use too much hallucinating drugs. You've got to use it with care, and everything will be all right. I think everybody should be able to decide what they want to do with hallucinating drugs for themselves.