Man In God's image...

Just thinking out loud here but feel free to add your own oppinions. But can we please refrain from the bickering about which religion is right that usually ends up happening?

Man (and Woman) was supposedly made in God's image, the meaning of which is usually taken to be 2 arms, 2 legs, 1 head, 2 eyes etc etc. Now being Pagan I obviously don't follow Christanity, but that idea got me thinking. What if we ARE made in God's image, but the spiritual image rather than the physical? That is to say that everything God is capible of, every single human being is capible of on a lower level due to a spark of the divine in their soul, thus allowing magic, miricles or whatever to work. In escence (apoligies for what some may see as blasphamy), we are all gods in mortal form

 

I think it's more like this:

God has a spirit form ( holy Spirit ), Soul form (God the father), and Flesh ( God the son).

Just like humans do.

The only thing that's flawed in your hypothesis is that you take something from Judaism/Islam/Christianity, yet totally contradict the rest of their scriptures .

 

no one created man. man is the result of millions of years of natural selection.

there is an awesome greater power around us -- possibly the power of life itself.

We don't really understand it, but some people seem to be more in touch with it than others.

Most people just spend way too much of their time trying to solve the great mystery, which can never be solved, and end up frustrated and missing out on the here and now right in front of them.

 

Heh, fair point, but as I said I was just thinking out loud. I suppose its just my way of trying to justify something in the context of my own beliefs

 

lol.

Killigore Trout: Who's that in the red circle on your sig?

 

That's me and my friend, Ann. The band is Galactic. That was the most magical moment ever. Houseman was sick and this girl was filling in for him. She had just sung, "touch me and you will get struck by lightning" and the lightning struck right on beat. Everyone went "Ooooh" and she didn't even sing the next line. Instead, she said, "I know you saw what just happened Bonnaroo".

What's more amazing is that the photographer happened to catch the strike.

 

But when that was written (by the Hebrews), Jesus hadn't come yet and wasn't believed in, nore was the Holy Spirit. There was just God, Yahweh the almighty. You're going back and changing the meaning of it after-the-fact.

I always thought that verse ("in god's image") was interpreted to mean spiritually, though for the original writers, it may have been literal (people viewed the gods differently back then, a good example is the Greek gods: humanlike in shape and form, as well as in behavior). Then again, even the Christian archetype of God is an old man on a throne (look at Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel painting of God for an example), so our interpretation of that to mean spiritual image may be fairly recent.

An interesting aside, the verse actually says "Let us make man in OUR image" indicating multiple gods.

 

That's amazing...how'd you get that picture?!
Lucky Photographer...

Oh believe me, they believed in him.
He was the Messiah they've prophecied the whole time.

No Holy Spirit? Interesting:

Ps 51:11
11 Do not cast me away from Your presence,
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
NKJV

Isa 63:10
10 But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit
NKJV

Gen 1:2
...And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
NKJV

hehe...

 

But, since this is a Hebrew text, and they don't believe the Messiah will be God, but instead a fully human prophet type person, it still doesn't make sense. Jews believe in one, indivisible God. Those verses you quoted are simply different names for the same, indivisible God, Yahweh. Just different terms (like how we have the terms "The Almighty" or "Providence", they're just different terms, like nicknames for God )

I don't suppose it's wrong for you, a christian, to interpret this bit of scripture in that way; but to know what was originally meant, you need to see it from the Jewish perspective.

 

"made in Gods image" obviously doesnt mean physical appearance.

 

someone on this site (i think it was Jesusdiedforu) said 'made in god's image: the electron the proton and the neutron-god son holy ghost'. thats nonsense though..

 

They won't think He's G-d? As much as I can say:

Isa 7:14-15
14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel .
NKJV


'Immanuel' means 'God with us'.

or :

Isa 9:6

6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
NKJV


There are quite a few spots, but I'm to lazy to write it all up.


If you want to read a bit about it, you can look here:

http://www.rightwordtruth.com/mangod.htm



And about the Holy Spirit: He IS the 'spirit' of the Lord (father being equivelant to the soul, IMO).
Also notice that "Spirit" is capitalized in the quotes I gave you? If it was a normal spirtit, it would be lower-case.

 

It was on the main page of Galactic's website for several weeks.

God is obviously a Galactic fan. Maybe it even created them in its image.

 

Okay, first of all if you want to understand the torah and the tenak then you need to go out and find a good translation of the origional hebrew texts. The xians have seriously mis-interpreted and fucked up most parts of the bible (fer instance, the soddomites wanted to interogate Lot and his Angelic guests, not assfuck them) but the word image in the hebrew context clearly means that mankind has a soul, like god. God is non-corporial most of the time, except when he comes down to earth in the form of an angel (the xians think that an angel is a seperate being, not just a form of god.... they're wrong.)
Although he does have nostrils....

 

Okay, first of all the word "virgin" in the King James version is a mistranslation, the hebrew word for virgin is betulah, but the text reads hal-am-ah, meaning 'a young woman', this is not a prophecy of Mary having a virgin birth.
The entire point of the quote in context is that at the time the king of judah was battling the king of israel and the king of syria. His prophet said that he would be given a sign of a chid named immanuel being born shortly after he is victorious over his enemies. The king was victorious and a child named immanuel was born. This was 700 YEARS BEFORE JESUS WAS BORN!!!! The context of the scripture means that all was promised would be a sign of god's favor through the birth of the child immanuel, the sign would be no good to the king of judah if it came 700 years later.....

oh, and the entire upper-case/lower-case thing is nowhere in hebrew, it's a recent invention, so in no way was the origional author indicating that something was going on because spirit was capitalized.....

do some freaking research once and a while, eh?

 

Only king James then, eh?

Isa 7:14

14 Therefore the Lord Himself giveth to you a sign, Lo, the Virgin is conceiving, And is bringing forth a son, And hath called his name Immanuel ,
YLT


Isa 7:1414 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
ASV


Isa 7:14

14 Therefore will the Lord himself give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and shall bring forth a son, and call his name Immanuel.
Darby


Isa 7:14-15
14 All right then, the Lord himself will choose the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel — 'God is with us.'
NLT


Looks like all Bibles must have the false translation.

And it's not the 'soul' for the Jews( as well as Islam or Christianity), but the 'spirit' that destincts us from animals.

Looks like I'm not the only one to do some studying.

 

First, Eugene is right, it is mistranslated, and out of context.

Second, like the Muslims, Jews don't believe God ever was or will take human form. God is God, man is man. He sends prophets but doesn't become the prophet. Obviously any Christian bible is going to disagree with this, and selectively translate certain passages when it comes to the Messiah so it agrees with the new testament. Fine for you Christians, but doesn't it seem stupid to use a Christianized text to talk about what Jews believe?

 

Give me that Immanuel scripture out of an accurately translated Tanakh, and we'll see then.

 

14 Therefore the L-rd Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
http://www.breslov.com/bible/Isaiah7.htm#1

7:14 Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/jps/isa007.htm#014

 

god was created in man's image, not the other way around.