The ID card bill is back

Your the one claiming it is needed (these guns) for protection ?.. Now your going on about shooting for a bit of fun.. If it indeed is not as 'gun crazy' as we percieve .. why have you just spent the last few days trying to convince me and others that carrying a gun is a good thing (outside personal enjoyment). Make up your mind.

I was only being sarcastic in my last post.. i don't actualy believe any of that.

by any chance ?. emoticon highliting 'joke'

 

i also enjoy runing british turist over with my 4 x 4 truck at the beach.

 

too late i plan to go too a Mcdonald in London with my guns blazing away. is the only sensible thing to do.

 

I have no argument with you there

 

Driving a car, buying liters of gas, 300 people in a building are all characteristics of the daily life process... and between the process, "shit" happens.

But being able to buy a gun to kill sumone like your buying "chocholate bars" is a totally different story.

Driving a car might kill people, but driving a car and doing a "driveby" shooting will kill more people.

Buring 300 people will kill people, but burning 300 people then going on a "shooting" rampage will kill more people.

All we will be doing is adding more shit to the pile of shit there already is.

 

Hows miami? I want to visit one day...

 

you are about as dumb as they come . i could drive my 4X4 truck in a school football field and kill more and faster than i could unloading a magazine from a pistol plus trucks dont make loud bangs and warn others.

 

please dont you wont live 5 minutes after you step off the airplane.

 

I had to compliment ur way of thinking in one way or the other

 

I'd imagine the screams might alert people.

Still there's only one way to know for sure...

 

Reasons-against-the-ID-Card

1. Privacy: who will have access to personal information about us? The card could hold vast amounts of information from your address (and where you have lived in the past), who your family are, your religion and on to your priority for heath-care, education and public services. It is likely to contain your fingerprints, scan of your iris or even your DNA profile. What reassurances are there about how our personal information is shared? We are particularly concerned about 'function creep'. A national ID card would require a National Database containing continually updated personal information. Once created, it will almost certainly expand. Who would seek access to the information and how can we be sure that permission wont be granted?

2. Enforcement: what will be the consequences if you fail to carry, or lose your card? Even if it is not compulsory to carry the card at all times, if we need the card to access services surely it will be virtually impossible to live in society without it? We are concerned that the system will foster discrimination and prejudice and lead to some sections of society being asked to prove their identity and their right to access more than others. The inevitable outcome is that an 'entitlement' card will be optional for the minority who are wealthy but in effect compulsory for the majority who make greater use of public services.

3. Resources: surely there are better ways for this government to spend hundreds of millions of pounds each year? Setting up the scheme, including computerised cards, could easily cost £1bn. Maintenance of the system, probably including a huge national database, would cost millions more each year.

4. Functionality: why should we believe that ID cards will reduce crime, when there is no evidence of this in any EU countries who have ID Cards? Evidence from other EU countries highlight the potential dangers in an ID card scheme, and no benefits in terms of crime reduction. In France there are concerns over discriminatory practice by the authorities and in Germany the safeguards protecting privacy have been eroded. We should heed the warnings of these countries.

5. Privacy: when will this government take steps to protect individual privacy rather than continually proposing measures which erode it? The government is apparently determined to introduce a national identity card - but even ministers don't seem sure what it is for. First it was to 'combat terrorism' now it's to 'reduce fraud' neither of which are supported by convincing evidence that it would have any practical effect. It would be naïve to believe that once in place use of the cards and database would be restricted to the original stated purpose. The government's attempted re-branding of national identity cards as 'entitlement cards' does not detract from very real concerns over privacy and freedom; but it does imply that we will be endlessly required to prove we are entitled to services we already receive.

 

Hmm... I'm really not liking this. I knew there was talk about ID cards but I never thought the government would realisticly try to impose them on us.

I was hoping it would be an idea that would fizzle out.