Do you believe in "life" or "death"?

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  1. Francisco

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    The Messiah testified:

    "those who live and believe in Me shall never die"!

    then The Messiah questioned:

    "do you believe this"?


    do you?


    if you do not believe, question the why's.

    seek out The Way to The Truth of The Life, Real Life,
    for all that is Real is Eternal, Forever, Endless.

    "Get Real"!

    all who believe in "death", believe that "death" is
    an answer to their "life" "problems".

    yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    hope that many would "receive a love of The Truth".

    hope that many would be set free from the "strong
    delusion" that is this world's religious systems.

    hope that many would "Get Real"!

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  2. BlackBillBlake

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    I don't know quite what you're trying to get at here, but it's riddled with contra-diction.

    First you mention the messiah, then quote Jesus, but go on to say or imply that the world's religious systems are a 'strong delusion'. Yet without these systems, nothing would be known of a messiah or Jesus.

    This just doesn't make any sense at all. Once dead, 'life' problems will cease to exist. But whilst we are alive, it doesn't help solve any of life's problems. If I have life problems of many kinds, the fact that death exists won't help me to solve them, unless I were simply to commit suicide. EG if I am unemployed I can look for a job, which is the real and practical solution. Death doesn't really come into it.

    On the other hand, it is neccessary to kill other life, either plants or animals in order that I should continue to live. But otherwise either I mis-understand what you're saying, or it's pure nonsense.
     
  3. Francisco

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    strange that before the infamous "printing press" there were many
    who heard of The Messiah, but not of the pagan "jesus".

    and yes i realize that without words on paper The Only True GOD,
    Father of ALL would yet be an unknown to you. however, it is clear
    that you only know of "the colored marks written on dead tree" and
    have not "experienced The Messiah and The Power that resurrected Him".

    and so the "strong delusion" that is the religious systems of this world has held you captive.

    yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    clear that you believe in "death", and that is understandable,
    yet oh so sad:-((((((

    yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  4. BlackBillBlake

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    Wierd.


    I guess you must know all about my spiritual life, since you assert so much.

    As for the existence of death, by which I mean the death of the physical body, it is real enough, which is plain to see for anyone but either an idiot or a fanatic.
     
  5. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Francisco is still in/of this world, just hasn't realised it yet, or that everything he has experienced has been in/of this "evil" world he denounces.
     
  6. Francisco

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    thankfull when those of this world call me an "idiot" or
    "fanatic"....... especially appreciate "crazy" for to be
    called "crazy" by a totally "crazy" wicked world is a
    blessing.

    as to "knowing about your spiritual life"?

    you have posted enuf words, and unless you are a liar,
    your words reveal your "spiritual life".

    hopefully one day you would believe The Messiah and
    not the imaginations of your own mind.

    The Messiah testified, "whoever lives and believes in Me shall
    never die"....... "do you believe this?"

    thankfully one day, home, home at last!

    "free, free indeed".

    who are you bill? consider "you".......

    for while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    hope that many would escape the snare of "d"evil.
    he who holds his subjects captive because of their
    "fear of death". their "fear" of something that is not
    unless one believes it to be.

    oh, how "the father of lies" has deceived the multitudes:-(((((((

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  7. BlackBillBlake

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    I didn't actually say you are an idiot or a fanatic, I said that the evidence of physical death is obvious to anyone but such persons. That's because I doubt you actually believe it yourself. but please, accept my blessing anyway.


    You've already said that you have read enough in my posts to know all about my spiritual life, so this seems a pointless question for two reasons: because if, as you say, I am simply one who is under the dominion of the world of his own imaginings, I could hardly have self knowledge, and thus wouldn't be able to answer, and secondly, because having thus gained insight into my inner life, you would presumably have a pretty shrewd idea of who I might be anyway.
     
  8. Francisco

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    to receive your "blessing" would be to receive a lie:-((((((
    for you abide in and of this world(babylon) and are held
    captive by it's "god", "the father of lies".......

    just read your own words, they reveal your need.......

    and while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    hope that the "eye of your understanding" would be opened
    so that you might "see" the "strong delusion" that binds you
    in the chains of this world.

    hope is that even the "braindirtied" can experience
    the miracle of being "washed whiter than snow".......

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  9. BlackBillBlake

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    I think you may well be correct K in your analysis.





    fin.





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  10. Francisco

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    once again khar, sad for you:-((((((

    sad that you have not "experienced The Messiah and The Power
    that resurrected Him".......

    and so i can understand how you yet publish lies for you serve
    "the god of this world", "the father of lies".

    only Resurrection Power can set you free from yourself khar,
    and because you yet refuse to believe or receive such Power,
    you remain lost in your own imaginations.

    yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    peace, even as war rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  11. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    You gotta know when to hold 'em,
    know when to fold em,
    know when to walk away,
    know when to run,

    You never count your money, when your sitting at the table,
    There'll be time enough for counting, when the dealings done.

    Know what bro? The dealer ain't stopped.

    Is it getting better? or do you feel the same?
    Will it make it easier for you now if you got someone to blame?

    One Love. I tapped knuckles with a rich gangsta...
     
  12. Francisco

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    once again khar, sad for you:-((((((

    sad that you have not "experienced The Messiah and The Power
    that resurrected Him".......

    and so i can understand how you yet publish lies for you serve
    "the god of this world", "the father of lies".

    only Resurrection Power can set you free from yourself khar,
    and because you yet refuse to believe or receive such Power,
    you remain lost in your own imaginations.


    yet while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    hope that you would lose your mind as you receive of That
    Spirit that was and is "the mind of The Messiah"!

    simply, "Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done"!

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  13. Kharakov

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    Once again lost one, you do not know yet. When you finally realise who sent me, then you will.

    There is only one God, fool.

    Wrong. You are lost in your own imaginings of what others are, and do not know them, which is why you are sad about others. The only thing holding me back is God- because of God's fear, not mine.
    God's will is always done, even when your will 'is done'.
     
  14. Francisco

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    there are many "god's" khar.......

    your "god" is that(he/she/it) which you serve!

    don't have to imagine what, or who you are.

    your words bear witness to who and what you are.
    unless your words are but lies that is.......

    if that be the case then you are but a liar and serve
    "the god of this world", "the father of lies"..period..

    no matter, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    The Father of ALL, HE can help you khar.......

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
     
  15. Kharakov

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    pthht...
    Umm, ok. And all along I thought God was supposed to be my bitch, not the other way around.

    Liar, that is what you are doing.
    Perhaps you don't know what imagine means?
    Imagine :to form a mental image of (something not present) (courtesy m-w.com)

    What you do "know" of me exists only in your imagination. I am not present when you read my words- so all your thoughts of me are in your imagination.

    Unless you do not understand what my words mean. Your own limited understanding determines the amount my words can convey to you.

    In addition, I have already told you that you cannot tell everything about a man by his words alone.
    So you don't know whether my words are lies or the truth. If you can't even tell this from my words, how can you tell anything at all about me from my words? All your words about me are meaningless conjecture, the ramblings of a fool without knowledge of what is true.

    You poor dumb fool. The father of all is the one who is hurting us, who is against us! Don't think that your sycophantic bullshit is gonna get you out of the Evil God's wrath. God will descend upon you like a plague of locusts to awaken you from your foolishness and make you feel true pain.
     
  16. Francisco

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    and again, sad for you khar:-((((((

    your words are you khar, except you be a liar.......period.......

    simple, thankfully.......

    yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    hope that you would embrace simplicity, for simplicity can bring
    an end to your vain imaginations.

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  17. Kharakov

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    Anyone else notice that Francisco never directly addresses the things you say, but instead repeats the phrases:

    Sad for you :-(((((
    Yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    And throws in a little bullshit with little meaning that does not address your comments?

    I think I am gonna repeat the above to every comment Francisco makes, although of course I might add something new to the mix.

    No they aren't. You really believe a man's words are the man? Fool. Man is more complex than mere words.

    Perhaps you do not communicate with your creator with more than simple words, but I do it with emotions, feelings, and thoughts of shape and form.

    Our dialogue is limited to words unless God hooks you up to the spiritual switchboard and conveys my emotions and thoughts (beyond words) to you, which God obviously hasn't done because you don't understand shit about what I am saying.

    You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em...
     
  18. Francisco

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    and again, sad for you khar:-((((((

    your words are you khar, except you be a liar.......period.......

    simple, thankfully.......

    yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    hope that you would embrace simplicity, for simplicity can bring
    an end to your vain imaginations.

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
  19. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Anyone else notice that Francisco never directly addresses the things you say, but instead repeats the phrases:

    Sad for you :-(((((
    Yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    And throws in a little bullshit with little meaning that does not address your comments?

    And sometimes he completely repeats what he said the last time.
     
  20. Francisco

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    once again, sad for you khar:-((((((

    your words are you khar, except you be a liar.......period.......

    simple, thankfully.......

    yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    hope that you would embrace simplicity, for simplicity can bring
    an end to your vain imaginations.

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
    http://ASpiritualJourney.Org
     
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