so whom are you voting for?

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by cerridwen, Jun 22, 2004.

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Kerry or Bush?

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  1. joe

    joe Banned

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  2. antithesis

    antithesis Hello

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    Why thank you Samhain. So I take it that you agree with my opinion? :p
     
  3. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    Who isn’t she is just the greatest


    maybe if we all ban together in 2008 If he runs
    I already got my whole family to vote for him this year

    At least if we vote for him it will get a better chance of getting his name and platforms out
     
  4. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I've said this before, but I can't see any point in voting for Kucinich as he is choosing to align himself with the Democrats. Of course he stands no chance in winning. But at least when you vote for a third-party candidate - be it Independent candidate Ralph Nader or Libertarian candidate Michael Badnarik - you are helping to get that particular party recognized, hence giving power to that party. Therefore, if any vote this coming election is a throwaway vote, it's a vote for Kucinich.

    Personally, I am not too keen on Kucinich - partly because he looks inbred, and partly because he seems like all talk to me. What he says is really a lot of wishful thinking. He says what the left wants to hear, but even if he was by some miracle elected, I don't think half of what he proposed would become a reality. Nader seems unrealistic to many, but he is much more realistic than Kucinich.

    Kucinich ran Cleveland into the ground, so I have my doubts on how he would do running the country.

    Nader - on the other hand - has a legacy of making the world a safer place for everyone through his consumer advocasy, as well as all his other endeavors.
     
  5. Samhain

    Samhain Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    My opinon on the death sentance is not straight forward, I just like the way you present yourself on here and even if you don't feel it i think that your a very strong person

    S
     
  6. alex714

    alex714 To the Left

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    cerridwen

    why arent ya posting about next weeks elections?! screw american politics
     
  7. antithesis

    antithesis Hello

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    lol, I actually forgot that Kucinich was running as a Democrat! Geez, I am so clueless sometimes :p

    I'm sure I am doing what everyone calls "throwing my vote away" by voting for Nader. But if I didn't vote for him, I wouldn't vote for anyone.

    I've said it a thousand times, but I think that it is the saddest situation when you end up voting for someone to keep someone else out of office. And that seems to be why a lot of people (and noticed that I don't say "all people") are voting for Kerry.

    P.S. I am not the greatest, but thanks anyway

    And thanks Samhain. I wish that in real life I could be as strong as I appear to be on here.
     
  8. Cirrhosis

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    Nader switching back and forth from Republican to Democrat to Green Party and all over again has really turned me off to him. It makes me wonder how firm he can stand in the presidency, when there is even more pressure with the issues. But, out of all the present candidates (rejected democrats included), I like him the most. However, if McCain does join the Kerry ticket, he will make up for Kerry's complete ineptness.
     
  9. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I don't think Nader has ever aligned himself with the Democrats or the Republicans, though is reaching out to Republicans disillusioned by Bush's policies in his current campaign.

    Secondly, Kerry already asked McCain if he'd be intereted in being his running mate and McCain declined. When Kerry announces his running mate in the coming weeks, it will likely be either Dick Gephardt or John Edwards.
     
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    Yes, I know McCain already declined. But I'm still dreaming.
     
  11. Ginge

    Ginge Ye Olde Member

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    I don't know who I'm voting for. But I'm sure as hell not voting for Bush.
     
  12. darkstar8413

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    i think very much the same about it
     
  13. xthevalkyriex

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    I strongly support the death penalty and I believe it should be available in all states.
     
  15. makno

    makno Senior Member

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    i am ashamed to be a slave .....i will not be degraded further by choosing my masters....i vote bloody fucking revolution and the painfull death of all the ritch
     
  16. beachbum7

    beachbum7 Lookin' for any fun

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    Studies have shown the death penalty is not a deterrent to crime. Also, there have been cases in which someone has been released from death row after DNA has shown the defendant wasn't guilty. I don't if you remember in Illinois a couple of years ago, after so many death row prisoners were found to be not guilty (through DNA), the then-governor put on a moratorium in capital punishment. Do you think ALL the prisoners on death row are guilty? I'm willing to bet no.

    Also, the poor are most likely to placed on death row. I'm not saying the death row would be any more justified if the rich were likely to be placed on it, but the poor are more likely to sentenced to death. Also, there are racial disparities in it: a black person who kills a white person is more likely to be sentenced to death than vice versa. If there were more executions, do you think there would be less bias?

    I think those who commit murder don't think about consequences. I think if murderers thoght they would end in jail for committing murders, they wouldn't have committed murder in the first place.

    I don't think the less crime argument works. I did a paper on the paper on the death penalty, and many of the states with the death penalty have higher murder rates than those who don't have the death penalty.

    The United States executes more people than most industrialized countries. Is that something to be proud of?

    Oh, I don't know who I'm voting for. But I'm extremely tempted to vote for Nader.

     
  17. beachbum7

    beachbum7 Lookin' for any fun

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    I forgot how many states have the death penalty, but most have it. I do wonder why American attitudes toward the death penalty are different than those in other countries.
     
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    I will more than likely be voting for Kerry because I despise Bush more than words can convey. I voted for Nader last pres. election. I also liked Dean.

    I'm for the death penalty too, murderers and child molesters and animal abusers can all die cruel and painful deaths!
     
  19. crummyrummy

    crummyrummy Brew Your Own Beer Lifetime Supporter

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    not why I am for it. I just think murderers and rapist and child molestors should die.
     
  20. themnax

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    george w bush is the poster child of a political machine
    the tip of an iceberg that consumes everything and gives back nothing

    responsibilty isn't money
    it is the avoidance of causing harm
    the big lie that it is about money
    is why people have to choose between doing violence to their conscounse
    or sleeping under a bridge

    i don't know where this bit about judicial killing came into it
    but no system of judgement is infallable
    and the only right made by two wrongs is a political right wing

    bush and kerry arn't the only choices
    kerry is certainly no saint
    but he's less of a disaster for the world we all have to live in

    i'd like to see camajo or even kusennich as president
    but i won't risk contributing to the possibility of another
    four years of among the most shameful tyrannical and treasonous policies in american history
    certainly the most so i have witnessed in my own lifetime

    and how do we even know it will only be four years?
    with the blatant irresponsibility and disreguard we have seen, will we even have a constitution? or only death camps for anyone who dares to think their own thoughts, dream their own dreams or believe their own beliefs.

    how anyone could even immagine voting for bush or why they would want to
    utterly defies my poor comprehension

    whatever kerry is
    he isn't working for karl rove, ken ley or haliburton
    nor the self ritiousness of pseudoconservatism

    we don't need another hitler
    and we certainly don't need to give the one we have
    the carte blanche of a vote of confidence

    i don't even know if our votes will be counted
    but my conscounce can only be clear if i cast one
    and against the known and irrisponsible causes of harm

    evil is as evil does
    and there is no other evil then to knowingly cause avoidable harm
    let alone that which was and is clearly known to be
    neither neccessary nor exicusable

    yes a death penalty would not be too severe an end
    for a political leader who has caused wanton death and destruction
    to gratify petty vengence, further his political carreer, and line the pockets of an inner circle of his few closest supporters

    yet would it not be fitting
    to remand the convicted harm causer
    to the custody and gentle pleasure of his victums?

    once upon a time in a far away land a long time ago
    there was a legal system that did just that.

    =^^=
    .../\...
     
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