Belief or Knoweldge?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Green, Jun 24, 2005.

  1. Green

    Green Iconoclastic

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    What one do I follow?
     
  2. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    Knowledge is facts, and facts are relative. Belief is blind faith in the unknown. Look instead for wisdom.
     
  3. Common Sense

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    How are facts relative?
     
  4. Diamond Gord

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    Facts are relative to understanding.
    What was considered fact hundereds of years ago, due to an increase in understanding, is no longer fact and what is considered fact now may no longer be when people have more understanding.
     
  5. MellowMagician

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    Once you have a belief you should strive to turn it into knowledge so your not blindly following something with no basis. Once you have knowledge you should seek out experience. Wisdom is knowledge with experience.
     
  6. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Knowledge : what is known

    Know: 1 a (1) : to perceive directly : have direct cognition of
    2 a : to be aware of the truth or factuality of : be convinced or certain of b : to have a practical understanding of
    Belief: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
    wisdom:accumulated philosophic or scientific learning : [size=-1]KNOWLEDGE[/size]

    fact: 4 a : something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact> b : an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>
    relative:2 : a thing having a relation to or connection with or necessary dependence on another thing

    Lol?? ;)
     
  7. Common Sense

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    A fact is the state of affairs. Facts are things that are "out there," and are true regardless of what we believe. So, it doesn't matter if something is "considered" a fact. If it's not the case, then it's not a fact.
     
  8. MrFantasy

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    Follow neither, probably. If you believe nothing, then you know nothing, and you only have the experience to follow. Experience itself may be an illusion, but at least it's one we can't wake up from (until we die, perhaps), unlike belief or knowledge...
     
  9. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Do you believe the words you wrote? Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..

    Is that what you believe about experience? Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..Tell me..
     
  10. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    Facts are relative because they are only verifiable as probable, never certain.

    And wisdom is knowing how to use knowledge or belief. It must be earned, never given (as facts and beliefs can be given through teaching)
     
  11. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    I just go by the definitions in a dictionary. It makes it easier to communicate with other people if we do that.

    I don't think your usage of the word relative is correct. Relative does not mean probable or uncertain.

    Knowledge:the fact or condition of knowing something with familiarity gained through experience or association (2) : acquaintance with or understanding of a science, art, or technique b (1) : the fact or condition of being aware of something (2) : the range of one's information or understanding <answered to the best of my knowledge> c : the circumstance or condition of apprehending truth or fact through reasoning : [size=-1]COGNITION[/size] d : the fact or condition of having information or of being learned
    Wisdom:a : accumulated philosophic or scientific learning : [size=-1]KNOWLEDGE[/size] b : ability to discern inner qualities and relationships : [size=-1]INSIGHT[/size] c : good sense : [size=-1]JUDGMENT[/size]
     

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