do you girls care if a guy has a job or not

did my fellow employees and i buy you that guitar and all that electronic equipment??

fuck, man.

 

It's really none of my business but I'm going to give you my opinion.. I think it's kind of sad considering there are people in this world working 2 jobs just to raise their son and go to school ( me being one of them).. Also, I don't understand how you think you can be in the music industry if you can't handle the public.. I save every cent I can to get my ass out of the relationship I'm currently in and make something of myself.. To be honest, it doesn't matter what you do, I'm not trying to judge you but I would never do something like that.. I know that many others are struggling while working 2 jobs, and you sit on your ass playing your guitar getting money you didn't earn.. If you're having that many problems regarding your depression/medication, I would suggest talking to your doctor.. If you can't handle working around people, how can you manage being a musician?? In all honesty, it sounds like an easy way out..

As for a relationship, if I truly cared about someone then I would be with them, but after awhile, taking care of someone who simply does not want to work will get old..

Btw, what if your dream of becoming a musician never comes true? Are you planning on getting a job then? Also, there are many places that will hire someone that doesn't have any references.. That's how people get their first job..

 

CDD, I agree with you, I wouldn't care either if the person I was with actually couldn't work. The man I was with didn't but at least he tried. He didn't have an attitude that it was everyone elses fault and why bother when he could just sit on his ass and get money. He actually was bothered that he couldn't hold a job and that he had no way to get ahead. We were together almost 2yrs so as you can see, that also isnt my motivating force. If he had that kinda negative shitty attutude it wouldnt have given him the time of day. I also would think twice if I had been of the age where I wanted to start a family. Too many other factors in that situation.

 

god irongoth you are a jackass did you even read my first post


here i said this

"look if a chick won't date you because of issues fuck her, in the meantime try taking a music class get finacil aid or loans just one class so you won't be over loaded. I'm starting school in fall for art but i'm just taking two classes because i get overloaded if i do too much.

you can work part tinme if your on ssi but you can only make i think like 500 dollars a month or something but if if overwhelms you then don't do it. YOU know what you can handle don't let other people pressure you into stuff you can't do "


So don't say i'm just sitting around leeching you fuckass, i have worked many jobs since i was 15, it was just recently i left a job where i worked as a drug counsler with teenagers, yes a very stressful job.


look bottom line is you obviously don't have a mental illness and you obviously have never had to deal with the system so really you have no say. to be tormented with manic highs wanting to spend every dollar i can get ahold opf and fuck every man or woman in sight, oer thwe lows wanting to throw myself in fround of a truck that drives by. tell me do you feel this stuff daily? or every second? i do... why am i telling you this YOU do not know.

nor do you know what its like to have to fill out the billions of papers to be denied medical to get meds to see a fucking doctor to see a physc to have someone to talk to to sort out your fucked up mind, but YOU don't understand this would you.
please if you don't have first hand expernce in this its best you stay out. Having a mental illness and being shit on by people who are perfectly healthy is bullshit. I live with this you don't.

 

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99184

 

hey man joker is a cool guy give him a break he trys and loves music and if that what he like diong everyone should shut up and keep ur single pionted veiw in ur own small mind and by the way i totally agree with him about this cliche of everyone has to work that bullshit what is this freedom then ?

 

Some of you people make me thank my lucky stars everyday for the amazing two kids I have.
*Wonders if Joker needed support so badly that this person had to "join" to back him up.* I guess by your remarks that you're a drag up and laying up on your parents, by your spelling I hope you are very young and still attending school. So who is supposed to support your sorry ass and what is your excuse? Since when does freedom imply someone else supporting you? Where does it say freedom means you don't have to do shit!

Lots of people try, lots of people love music. None of us told him to post in an open, public forum. That was his idea. If you don't want to hear it, don't ask. And Oh..by the way...You both seem to fit the word drone yourselves..

Main Entry: 1drone
Pronunciation: 'drOn
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English drAn; akin to Old High German treno drone, Greek thrEnos dirge
1 : the male of a bee (as the honeybee) that has no sting and gathers no honey
2 : one that lives on the labors of others : PARASITE
3 : an unmanned airplane, helicopter, or ship guided by remote control
4 : DRUDGE

 

all im saying is, I dont want to be paying for someone else to get high, and if you (there are exceptions) want to make money you can.... Its called motivation. Irongoth is just telling it how it is.... I agree

 

RE: so what.

Joker, that sums up right there why you're a loser.

As for trolling, this isn't a troll. Someone came on here asking about what we thought about a guy who doesn't wanna work and claims "disability". Who tools around on his guitar smoking weed on the public ticket with no interest in getting a job or doing anything other than his own selfishness.

I told him pretty much what he needs to hear - straighten up, and fly right. Sometimes that involves counselling and meds - sometimes a kick up the backside. Sometimes it just involves knuckling down. But nevertheless you've heard it from a med student with two jobs and a kid, a bipolar dude working two jobs, etc. that you know what you suck it up and you move on or you're a parasite.

Being a hippie, last time I checked, was about making it your own way. The hippies were into self-sufficiency in a big way - starting communes, starting newspapers, free clinics, learning to farm and make yoghurt, doing something. Not sitting around with a joint in one hand and liquor in the other saying "this is OK cause the people I'm leeching off are racist."

 

word

 

Jobs are good to have. I dated a kid for a year and it was annoying to come home from work and he is watching tv. Even when he was looking for work it was bothersome because I ended up having to spend all of my money when we went out. (not that big of a deal, but still) EVen when I knew he was trying it was so much nicer once he had a steady job. Not that money is the most important thing but having security is nice and knowing that you are both on solid ground financially is one less thing to worry about. Personally I am a worry wart and when he didn't have a job I was worried a lot and driving him to get applications and grabbing apps for him and running my conections to help him was stressful. I'm all for teamwork but it takes a lot of energy to motivate and support someone. But that is not everyone. It sounds like you have a "sort" of income. This is good. But... like I said a job is just one less thing to worry about. Jobs aren't that bad, and people understand if you dont have references for past jobs. You have to start somewhere.Good Luck. Musicians always have it hard man. That's why they have such heartfelt songs

 

I'm not even going into the "is bipolar really a disability?" issue, because I can't judge what it is like to be them, but I can understand how it can look like laziness to some people. I mean NONE of us like the daily 9-5 grind. Hate it, but must do it to get by.


What I think is important to consider is quality of life. Sure people who are handed a government check (of whatever type) might seem to have it easy, but it's only enough for the basics. My sig other's ex has been living in a mission or on welfare for awhile. She has accounting training and no disabilities, just decided not to work for awhile and have three babies. And because of welfare reform she is having to work to maintain what assistance she has now. She barely can keep a car running and didn't have one for years. Try taking a bus with three infants! She never travels near or far, she never goes out to nice dinners, she never goes to festivals, never goes to concerts or skiing or camping or anything like that. She has missed all but two of her sons' school concerts. Her life is spent in government sponsered housing - not the best, unfortunately. I might have to work at job I don't love, for a boss who drives me insane at times, but I do a job that is a good public service. I get paid fairly, not as much as I could make, but this particular job is easy. I own a mortgage - I love my home and my 1/3 of an acre garden. And I get to do fun, fun things with my money. I get to spoil my step-son and have pets I love. I always have had transportation and therefore freedom to travel around at will. I have a lovely little get-away cabin in the woods.
I wouldn't trade all of that for the ease (?) of a government check.

 

whoa, a 1/3 of an acre garden... that sounds wonderful, tarabelle!

yes, money isn't everything... but it sure is nice to travel all over the world.

i don't think i could handle a dude without a job.

 

You'll have to come see our yard, if yall travel out Seattle way sometime. It's a work in progress, but it's named Graham Gardens, which is what we are trying to live up to. It's a good time of year - so much is in bloom.

 

Point is the guy is hostile towards work, versus being unemployed. This is a "I'm a parasite and want my stuff for free" issue

 

yeah, it matters. i know guys in their 20's that dont have jobs. many of them dont have cars and ride bikes around. a few of them still live in their parents basement. not to sound snobby, but its difficult to take someone like that seriously.

 

I must admit I envy Joker a bit. I would love to live off of the government as a parasite. If the government is offering it why not take it? I also believe Joker has a very serious problem.

I know, some people would accuse Joker of being a welfare leech making excuses, but he sounds like he has a very serious disability and it would be supremely hypocritical for me to criticize him for it. In fact, for much of my life I have lived as a parasite off of relatively well-to-do parents. That's one reason I am finishing college, to be independent.

The racists that Joker has complained about are themselves not always so stable, and many, I am sure, are on welfare in some manner themselves.

I used up welfare in a sense to get through school: the government has been pretty generous with financial aid.

I can't judge Joker because regardless of what he posts here I do not know him fully. I sure wish I did not have to deal with this fucked up society, but I will be forced to when I am done with school in a month.

But back to the original question, Joker: yes, women are turned off by unemployed guys. The reasons are pretty obvious, and as you get older and wiser you will see.

 

refer to it as disABILITY and learn what yours is

 

RE: I must admit I envy Joker a bit. I would love to live off of the government as a parasite.

Wow. Why not move to China, then.

I don't wanna live off anyone. But then again I'm not a parasite. There's only one problem with being a parasite, what happens when your host dies?

RE: If the government is offering it why not take it? I also believe Joker has a very serious problem.

Because here's the deal. Whereas tons of people think the gubmint is this faceless Men In Black org with limitless piles of money what it really is is a house of cards held together with duct tape, back room politicking and most of all credit.

People who have paid into Social Security ALL THEIR LIVES with the understanding that they were INVESTING money in a RETIREMENT FUND are gonna find out that their "retirement" will mean "trying to make ends meet on whatever job they can find" because Reagan and co. spent that money in 1980 or so and there isn't enough to go around for them, never mind all those who have vague illnesses like Borderline Personality Syndrome and Work Allergy Syndrome and what have you never mind real illnesses - like veterans on the street after being injured FOR REAL defending the country.

There's a limited amount of cash, and the more people pulling from it there less there will be. It's like insurance. Everyone breaks their window to declare their radio "stolen" and insurance goes under. Or health insurance - people assuming it's just a "a la carte" health plan.

That's what's bloody wrong with it.

Never mind the fact that it is absolutely scummy to lounge around with one's hand out, it's even more insulting to be told that he's spending that money on weed and feels entitled to it because of his race and the racism he's encountered.

If he'd said "I can't work because I'm sick, what should I do" I'd have been like "OK, let's see if we can find some clinic to get you properly medicated, if it's really that serious, so you can work" but fundamentally it's "I like the weed, the free money, and no parents no boss giving me no hassle. But this might get in the way of me gettin the ladies I understand... how can I get that too?"

He's a self-admitted workshy lazy parasite.

 

I want my fucking reparations too. In middle and high school I dealt with bullies; I had a racist Black English teacher my junior year; in college I dealt with snobbish sorority girls who had everything handed to them.

There is no sympathy for shy people like me. You can bet if the government offered me money I would take it. Those bastards owe me money anyway.