The Jews Return to Israel (1948), just a coincidence?

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by JesusDiedForU, Apr 9, 2005.

  1. campbell34

    campbell34 Banned

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    I think the one who has the real mental condition is one who sees the truth of the Bible and rejects it. The Bible clearly states that there is no other name given unto men to be saved but the name Jesus Christ. The Bible clearly states that their will be men in the end who will stand before God and tell Him of all the wonderful good works they did in their life time, and Christ will tell them, depart from me, I never knew you. You can't work your way to heaven. Only Christ death on the cross and you giving your life to Christ will save you from that place called Hell. The Bible states that your best works before God are but filthy rags. Do you really think you or anyone of us deserve to go to Heaven. God states that there is none that are rightous, no not even one. God sent Christ to this world to save all who would accept Him as their Lord and Saviour. If you reject Him their is no other path. Christ asks the question, how shall they neglect so great a salvation?
     
  2. Colours

    Colours Senior Member

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    well youre insane. Good people go to heaven if there is such a thing.
     
  3. Colours

    Colours Senior Member

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    What is this religion based on if not good works? Just worshipping a person? That totally outrules every teaching of Christianity. We throw it all out just to worship a person. That doesnt make sense. Id like to say one day youll understand, but your time is running out.
     
  4. JesusDiedForU

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    Have you every met a perfect person? Well in order to enter Heaven a person must be perfect because heaven is a perfect place. According to the Bible "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

    By these standards then if everyone has sinned then no one would be in heaven. However, that is where Jesus came in and took the shedding of blood for our sins. So therefore whoever believes in him (believing is trusting and following) will go to heaven.


    "So our good works, our religion, our baptism, our confirmation, our philosophy, nor our church membership can't get us into heaven. There is only ONE remedy for the problem of Sin and Separation...Jesus."
     
  5. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    If heaven is such a perfect place what's with all the angels that got tossed out of there before god created mankind? Since Satan is evil, then it seems evil was born right out of heaven. Not so perfect, it seems...
     
  6. Colours

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    "So our good works, our religion, our baptism, our confirmation, our philosophy, nor our church membership can't get us into heaven. There is only ONE remedy for the problem of Sin and Separation...Jesus."
    and thats where CHristianity is born: out of the praise of the man instead of the man's message. Ignorant followers who couldnt live the word so they decided it was much easier to just praise the teacher.
     
  7. campbell34

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    Lord, Lord, have we not done many wonderful works in your name, and Jesus said unto them, depart from me, I never knew you.

    Unless a man is Born Again, he will not see the Kingdom of Heaven.
     
  8. JohnnyX

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    I wonder if there is anything in the Bible that tells Jews how to oppress, kill, bulldoze, starve and erradicate the peoples that were already inhabiting those lands ....the Palestinians/Caananites? These are baaaaaaad people my friends...prophecy or no prophecy.
     
  9. campbell34

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    Doing good works shows the sincerity of your heart. Yet entrance into Heaven requires a sinless life. NONE OF US, can be that good. God did not send His Son into the world to condem the world, but throught Him the world might be saved.
    Who so ever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.
     
  10. campbell34

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    Any thinking created being has free will to choose to live for God, or to oppose Him. God did not make robots. Those who will spend eterenity with God, are the one's who freely choose to live for Him. Satan and His angles felt that they were better than God, and tried to take control. This same fight continues to this very day and now has spread to the human race. Yet for all of us, the choice is still the same.
     
  11. campbell34

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    Most Jews could care less about Bible prophecy. Most Jews have almost no religious faith and are more secular in their approach to world events. Only a handfull still believe in the Bible, and only a few of them actually believe the prophecies are for to day. What is happening in Israel today has less to do with Jewish belief in prophecy, but more to do with the Jews national idenity.
     
  12. JohnnyX

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    Youre kidding right? Jews don't believe in the Torah (the first 5 books of the OT)???? It's about NATIONAL identity? Do you know any Jews may I ask? I'd really like to know where this reasoning comes from. Israeliis are not necessarily Jews BTW there are many faiths that live there.
     
  13. campbell34

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    No, I'm not kidding.
    Many people who call themselves Jews do not believe in that religion at all! More than half of all Jews in Israel today call themselves "secular," and don't believe in G-d or any of the religious beliefs of Judaism. Half of all Jews in the United States don't belong to any synagogue. They may practice some of the rituals of Judaism and celebrate some of the holidays, but they don't think of these actions as religious activities. Most secular American Jews think of their Jewishness as a matter of culture or ethicity. And yes, a good friend of mine is a Jew, and his father is a Rabbi. Yet, even his father does not believe in God. Yes their are a number of faiths that live there, but if you are a Christian, don't try preaching the Gospel to other Jews, or you may end up in jail or deported.
    http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm
     
  14. JohnnyX

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    nice try...informative website.....but why didnt you read the tab titled "what jews believe"???

    1. G-d exists
    2. G-d is one and unique
    3. G-d is incorporeal
    4. G-d is eternal
    5. Prayer is to be directed to G-d alone and to no other
    6. The words of the prophets are true
    7. Moses's prophecies are true, and Moses was the greatest of the prophets
    8. The Written Torah (first 5 books of the Bible) and Oral Torah (teachings now contained in the Talmud and other writings) were given to Moses
    9. There will be no other Torah
    10. G-d knows the thoughts and deeds of men
    11. G-d will reward the good and punish the wicked
    12. The Messiah will come
    13. The dead will be resurrected
    I mean...I dont mean to be mean Campbell but you should read more of the reference you supply....we need to be fair here and not just pick and choose what we declare to be truth....its insulting that you try to tell me that Jews do not believe in God or the Bible...but I am not offended...but embarrassed....for you too.
     
  15. Colours

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    he said some dont believe in God, they just see Judaism as a culture. But maybe not over half..
     
  16. campbell34

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    A better title perhaps would of been. ''What SOME Jews believe.'' And lets be clear on this. It is Christians today that are bringing the Word of God to the world. Not the Jewish faith, which has little outreach if any. There is no arguement that SOME Jews believe in the Torah. The problem is, that many Jews donot. A point you seem to of over looked. You will not find to many Jewish Billy Gragham's. You will not see millions of people coming forward
    to accept God and dedicate their life to Him, because of a Jewish outreach. You will not find to many Jewish missionary projects around the world. You will not see Jewish T.V., and radio stations spreading the message of God to the four corners of the earth. For Jews, it pretty much about Israel. Yes, some Jews believe in God. Yet, it is the Christians that are spreading His message.
    I am not trying to be insulting, I love Jewish people because of God. Yet, simply look at what is going on in this world today, and you will have to agree it is Christians that are spreading the message of God's salvation.
     
  17. JohnnyX

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    hey man...thats the link you gave....and the title doesnt say "some" jews....i think youre full of hogwash
     
  18. campbell34

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    I'm sorry Johnny, but if you took the time to read the first sentence after the 13 given principles, it states that the liberal movements of Judaism dispute many of those 13 principles. That is clearly stated. And that is why I said, saying some Jews would be more accurate.
     

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