the usa? a "christian" country?

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  1. Francisco

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    The us of a? A ‘christian’ country indeed……

    First the birth.... Born of blood in rebellion, which is as the sin of witchcraft, she now punishes
    those who would dare to rebel against such as abortion, perverse relationships, educational
    pollution, destruction of the earth,,,etc,,,.

    I do not advocate rebellion in any manner, except to heed The ONLY TRUE GOD'S Will above all
    that is of this world, a world which has forsaken The ONLY TRUE GOD.

    The hypocrisy of that which calls itself 'america' and the religious system that calls herself
    "christianity’ is beyond that which can be related in words alone.

    And one blatant lie? Separation of 'church and state', or put more clearly 'religion and
    government'. And the delusion begins.... for government, especially a government where the 'law'
    rules, is but societies 'religion', dictating that which is 'good', acceptable, and that which is 'evil',
    not acceptable. And government is what birthed what is known today as 'christianity'.

    And the us of a, the country which has its’ roots in judaism(ie:law), is now known, and believed
    by multitudes to be, "america, that 'christian' country". Thing is, “christianity” is Anti-Messiah!

    They have even erected an “'image” that defines their religious system. A stone cold statue, void
    of life, proudly bearing the 'flame' of 'the angel of light'! An “image” that bears witness to the
    authority and liberty given unto women to rule over men.

    Now there was a time when a curse was put upon mankind because the man hearkened unto the
    woman, she who had been deceived by a “serpent”.

    Until "faithful Noah" that curse remained upon mankind, but Noah hearkened unto The ONLY
    TRUE GOD and HIM alone, He did not hearken unto his wife. So because of Noah's faithfulness
    the curse was removed from man. And woman? The curse remains.

    Man better than woman? No!
    Man without sin? No!
    Man the "weaker vessel"? No!
    Is that weakness physical? No!

    There is one woman mentioned in what this world calls its’ 'bible' who was 'suffered to teach" and
    her name was 'jezebel'. And today that jezebelic spirit possesses multitudes of “weaker vessel”
    women who seek authority over mankind.

    Paul writes to Timothy and testifies, "a woman is not to teach, nor to usurp the authority of, a
    man, but to be silent"! Why? Because "the woman being deceived was in the transgression".

    The results of man listening to a woman are well documented, both in the 'bible' and in the
    experiential knowledge of those who seek to follow The Messiah on "The Way to The Truth of
    The Life".

    So many voices shouting, “lo here, lo there” in pagan “christianity” and the voice of women joins
    the chorus with their shouts of “equality, equality” as they continue their rebellion against The
    ONLY TRUE GOD, Father of ALL”.

    "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of" because of the masquerade that calls herself 'christianity'.

    The ONLY TRUE GOD'S Order of "GOD, Messiah, man, woman" has been so perverted that
    he/she's and she/he's abound. "Women rule over men and they use their 'kid's' to oppress them"!

    The souls of GOD fearing men are vexed, and they cry for help as perversion abounds and
    surrounds them.

    Most 'see' that this is a 'woman's world', the foundation of which was her transgression, and the
    women that desire such, well they can have all of it.

    Yet for those women desiring a "husband", desiring a "home", desiring to be what GOD would
    have them be, well for those women there is Love. They can cease from their laboring because
    they feel they have to, for they will be Loved; they not only will accept, but rejoice in being a
    woman, for they will be Loved; they will rise above the serpents domain, for they will be Loved.

    Before one can know they are Loved, there must be submission, without which Love becomes just
    a word, unknown and meaningless, void of any substance.

    The man not submitted to his Master, The Messiah, didn't know he was loved. Oh, The Messiah
    loved him yet he could not experience that Love until that man submitted unto his Head. Then he
    knew he was Loved.

    A woman experiencing such Love will not teach, nor usurp the authority of man, for before the
    married woman experienced such Love, she submitted unto her 'head', calling him 'master'. She will
    not seek to 'teach' other men for in her 'meek and quiet life', her example has become the 'teacher'.

    The ONLY TRUE GOD'S Order does not speak of married or unmarried, HIS Order of GOD,
    Messiah, man, woman is HIS Order, not mine. Oh, that i could hide in that “cave or den”. To be
    gone from this wicked world, the total depravity of its’ religious systems, rebellious women, and
    men who have forsaken their Creator will be a blessing indeed. Free, free at last!

    Those who would question or pervert The ONLY TRUE GOD's Order must answer to HIM.

    That which calls itself 'christianity' first created their own perverse doctrinal heresies when they
    theorized, "Messiah is The Son of 'god' so therefore 'god' and Messiah are equal". The Messiah,
    The Only Begotten Son of the Living GOD testified, "The Father is greater than I", and He bears
    testimony to "The ONLY TRUE GOD" and just prior to His ascension testifies, "I ascend to My
    Father and your Father, to My GOD and your GOD"!

    “The Messiah was a servant of The ONLY TRUE GOD”, Father of ALL, and The Messiah was
    “the beginning of The Creation of The ONLY TRUE GOD”.

    Once the first order, of "GOD The HEAD of The Messiah" was questioned and disregarded it was
    a simple matter to disregard GOD's Order altogether, and so today she/he’s and he/she’s abound,
    and “Truth lies dead in the streets”.

    And so The Call has been sounded and will be till the end of time for all those who have been
    deceived and are held captive by the “strong delusion” of the "mother of harlots", “catholicism”,
    and her pagan “christian” daughters.

    The Call of The ONLY TRUE GOD is:

    "Come out of her, My people......."!

    “Come out” of this wicked, evil world(babylon) and her sytems of religion.

    All who take heed unto The Call will “set their affections on things above” and they follow The
    Messiah on “The Way to The Truth of The Life”.

    The Messiah’s teachings and Life example bore witness to “The Way”,
    and as The Messiah so also will His Brethren desire above all else:

    “Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done”!

    Simply, such a desire is “The Way to The Truth of The Life”.

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages……. francisco
     
  2. White Feather

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    Unfortunately, seeking to isolate oneself from society is not the answer. One must live in the world - the trick is to also live above the world.

    Men have always tried to have power over women. Psychiatrists will say it's because Man is aggressive and Woman is passive, that Man is jealous of Woman who is a creative force and brings forth Life whereas Man seemingly can only engage in War. When it comes to meditation, Men wrote the scriptures to denigrate Women because they know that the Woman, since she lives closer to the heart, if not in the heart, can easily go beyond the heart into the Void, the Unknown, to become one with the One, the I AM, while the man, who lives in the head, the mind, must first go to the heart before going to the One. Man lives in the "no," while Woman lives in the "yes". Women are therefore more open to Nature while Men are more closed to it. This is why a man must leave society and seek solace in the mountains - to get away from the stress of life. A woman doesn't need to travel as she has her children to love, they are always on her mind first and foremost. Man, knowing this, is subconsciously jealous of his children, knowing that while he has a different type of love, it is secondary to the love his wife for her children.

    Modern American society basically changed with WWII, where women joined the work force. This was her second liberation, the first being the Right to Vote. The third liberation was the Sexual Revolution where women were bought on equal terms with men, shortly thereafter getting "the right" to abortion.

    I don't think that modern American woman can still be blamed for the ills of society any more than they can be blamed throughout history, from Eve on down. Man in his desire to have power over woman forced her to fight back in the only way she knew, with whatever tools were at her disposal, her children, with holding sex, nagging him, chiding him, etc. Man has as much fault as woman in creating the society in which they live.

    As far a America being a Christian nation goes, Christianity encompasses all Christian sects. The background political leaders, shakers and movers, many of our Founding Fathers, were Masons, the religion of Egypt, the percursor of the Judiac religion, from whence we supposedly get the Amen, the Amon, the I AM.

    The question therefore becomes, "In the field of today's Religion, Babylon, how does one find the One True Religion?" Just saying, "Come out of Babylon" will not do - for where is one to go, whom is one to listen to and follow?

    As a gnostic I have my own "beliefs" - meditation ("Go into your closet"), the Buddhist precept of "no-mind", along with looking to Nature for answers, listening to my dreams and intuition, trying to be aware at all times, trying to be aware of my ego and my subconscious. This gnostic rejects Paul and all his teachings, preferring to read just the Gospels and Revelation in the NT, Genesis and the Prophets. When it comes to the Wisdom books the language of the world has already come into play. I would just as soon read the Dhammapada, which has more revelance, to me.

    So, my answer to you, "Oh, that i could hide in that “cave or den”. To be gone from this wicked world," is to meditate, to go into your closet and listen to God in secret, to just look at your breathing and see how your mind works, how it is always talking, and to make it shut up. Once the mind stops thinking you will be with God, fore you will have fallen down into the heart. Eventually it may become a very scarey place, where the fear of death must be faced head on. I was a coward and turned away, yet I persist, trying anew. Just be aware of the thinking process. Eventually you should see it as a separate process and you will be able to ignore it. This is what is called "witnessing". Some others have said to meditate, not contemplate, on asking "Who am I?" Whatever the mind says you are, your job, your possessions, your feelings, your desires, your upbringing, your religion, your beliefs, your money, your prestige, your age, any millions of things, you are not it. Eventually the mind will run out of answers and should quiet now into silence.
     
  3. Francisco

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    the words written were "oh, that i could hide" not that i would!

    "in, not of this world" is quite a clear admonition to Truth.

    "not that YOU Father should remove them from this world, but that you
    would keep them from the evil".......

    but i sure know of some great caves and dens.......

    you words bespeak much concerning the "spiritual" and yet it seems that you
    "take things" on a literal, natural level far to often. could be i am wrong and
    yet it seems you are of those yet serving "time" in the prison that is this world.......

    sad, what you write concerning paul, although i understand because of
    the "braindirtying" you have received when you made your bed with the
    pagan harlot that calls herself "christianity".

    and especially the "braindirtying" you yet receive from a nation that is, and
    always has been under the control of "the god of this world".......

    yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    Miracles are Real! and Real is Forever.......

    may you receive The Miracle of each breath.......

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
     
  4. White Feather

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    The den and cave I know of are inside oneself.

    I take 'things' anything but literally. The prison is my mind. I try to see 'the lillies of the field,' to see the world as the world really exists. "Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass and whoever has discovered a carcass is worth more than the world." & "Seek a place of rest for yourselves, that you may not become a carcass and be eaten." -Gospel of Thomas. That 'place of rest' is not in the hereafter, it is in the here and now.

    Peace to you, too.
     
  5. Cerberus

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    I just skimmed through the post, because it looks like the same standard bullshit as every other one of your posts.

    Do you use a post generator?

    Excessive use of quotation marks...check
    while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!....check
    The ONLY TRUE GOD...check
    Sad for you:-(((((((......unchecked

    So much writing, so little content.
     
  6. Francisco

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    post generator? now what is that?

    believe there is much that could be added to your duplicity list.

    thank you for the response.......

    as to "little content"?

    seems to me "limited understanding" on the reader's part
    would cause such to be. especially if the reader was but
    a "natural man" in love with his own self and/or any portion
    of this wicked world(babylon) and it's system of religion.

    yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    hope that there would be those who take heed unto
    The Call of The ONLY TRUE GOD to:

    "Come out of her, MY people......."

    hope that there would be those who "come out" of this
    wicked world(babylon) and it's systems of religion.

    those who do so will quit serving "time" in the prison
    that is this world and they will "set their affections on
    things above", "heavenly things", that which is Real,
    for that which is Real is Forever.......

    for those who are Real, Forever it will be:

    "Father, not my will, But THY Will Be Done"!

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
     
  7. Francisco

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    one of this worlds theme songs is "we all live in a yellow submarine":-((((((
    that inward "den and cave" inhabited by the fearful(yellow) who believe
    the depths and darkness will allow them to hide what they do, what they
    are and what they desire.......

    as to "prison", yes it is of the mind, for the Faithful who are in the natural
    prisons of this world are "free" from the "prison that is this world". yet, for
    those serving "time" in the prison that is this world, well they are imprisoned
    of their own minds indeed and so the need for "the mind of The Messiah".......

    "the lillies of the field"? they are not of this world.

    world = imagined systems created of mankind to maintain a certain order
    midst the chaos and perversion of those who rebel against their Creator.
    primarily established for those who would "serve money rather than The
    Great Spirit".

    earth = The Creation of "The ONLY TRUE GOD, Father of ALL".......

    and "The Creator will destroy them who destroy HIS Creation".......period.......

    "in this world you will have tribulation, but be of good cheer for I
    have overcome this world".......

    indeed "the peace that surpasses all understanding" is experienced,
    yet "as The Messiah suffered so also will His Brethren suffer".......

    "place of rest", yes, in Him there is Comfort.......however, the desire
    to be Home with Our Father....... well may it be soon, yet realizing it
    Will Be in HIS Time.......

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francisco
     
  8. Cerberus

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    No, I just think you are a lunatic.

    But while there is breat(spirit) there is hope!

    Maybe one day you will hit your head against a wall and all that bullshit will be gone.

    maybe.
     
  9. Francisco

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    thanks for the response.......

    please consider this, if someone of this crazy world calls me a "lunatic"
    should i not rejoice? i mean if "crazy" calls me "lunatic", well that seems
    a bit of alright to me.

    yet there is a portion of truth in what you stated concerning a "hit on the head"........

    having been raised on the mind "dung" that is this world and its systems of
    media control, educational entrapment, greed(money worship), religious
    perversion, political pollution, judicial injustice, "family" destruction, sexual
    disorientation,,,etc,,, well i believe that the cleansing from all such "dung"
    began for me in about '72, and that cleansing will continue untill the day
    i thankfully draw that last natural breath.......

    and while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

    hope for you, for me, for all who have subjected to the perverse, "lunatic"
    "braindirtying" processes of this wicked world, specially it's systems of
    religion and "education". sad for the "normal":-((((((

    and oh, how sad i am for the "children", for this world makes short work of
    the "children" sacrificed unto their "god" of "education". if they weren't yet
    "kid's" when they were subjected to such systematic "braindirtying", well
    they soon will be:-((((((

    and from '72, or so, a bit of my "cleansing" recorded.......

    do you feel as i feel,
    do you wonder just what's real?

    do you see the little child,
    do you see them running wild?

    i see the doubts and i see the fears,
    i see the hurts and i see the tears.

    could be that’s what i look to see,
    yet what I "see" is real to me,

    now am I alone to care and cry,
    or must I close these eyes and surely die?

    yet, there is hope! for Miracles Happen! Forever! HalleluYah!

    "all things are possible for them that believe"!

    and for them who don't believe? :-((((((

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francis
     
  10. BlackBillBlake

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    For once I agree with you Fransisco - the US is among the most materialistic nations on earth. A lot of American 'Christians', esp. fundamentalists and so on, try to justify this on the grouds that America is "God's country", and has some leading role to play in 'His plan'.

    Meanwhile, America is the worst polluter on earth, Invades foriegn nations to serve the vested interest of it's own power elite under some pretence of 'fighting tyranny', or 'fighting terror'. Thousands of innocents are slaughtered. Prisoners have their human rights abused, and their own sacred texts flushed down toilets.
    As to God - these dumbed down TV evangelists seem to have turned Christianity into something for complete morons.
    And don't think I'm anti-American per se - Britain is no better - worse in some ways, as we just go along with the US when we should know better.

    NB -American friends - it is the US establishment I am against, not Americans, or indeed anyone of good will.
     
  11. Francisco

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    you write, "it is the US establishment I am against, not Americans, or indeed
    anyone of good will".......

    as for me, "it is the worldly establishment and it's Anti-Messiah spirit i am
    against, not individuals"....... and the pagan religious system that calls itself
    "christianity" is of that "worldly establishment":-((((((

    and of the things that can "dumb someone down", tv might be #1 :-((((((

    peace, even as war(spiritual and carnal) rages....... francis
     
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