Don't hit women, but...

There are, and we do.

There are more females born, animal and human, to insure the survival of the species. When you start a herd you start with one male and several females. A male can father many offspring in a day but a female can only produce one or two babies at a time, the majority of them are females. So the point is, we only need a few males to insure survival. Usually we eat the male animals, as the females are the producers.
Even in the dog kingdom, the femals are the money makers and the males are the sperm doners. The males also work for the females, bringing them food and running off preditors so the females can make the nest and rare the children without threat.
I'm not making any cracks about males. I'm just stating how it works. I also did not invent it so don't jump down my throat for having said it. We all know it or can find it out. It's not that hard to figure out.
Living on a farm you learn these things. It's the nature of of the beast, the way things are. It's there for the seeing. It's not hidden away. You just have to look.

 

RE: How much at your age have you been involved in.

Don't make assumptions. In some parts of rural America it's the eight year old who peels drunk daddy off the couch, hopes mommy comes home after the crack binges and makes sure the other kids are fed. These days kids deal with everything from HIV to school shootings.

RE: That's what I was meaning in my statement.. I do get carried away sometime when a subject touches me.

And that would be why we tone you down a bit. Not subjugation, but because you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself.

RE: I am very strong willed.

We noticed.

RE: Passoinate in my belefs and secure enough in my heart to speak my mind.

Unfortunately you also need to be passionate and secure enough in your mind to speak your heart.

RE: Green, I'm not after you, nor am I picking you out. I was just trying to relate what it feels like to be battered and abused.

And? So? So what? Not so what as in I don't care what happened to you, but why does you having been smacked around by some grunt make it that either a) all men are like this in some kind of conspiracy or b) it's OK for women to poison, ambush, attack, abuse or beat men?

You say you've been battered by some grunt or some pig. Fine! Why then can't you seem to show some sympathy for men in a similar situation? Why do you turn it into "GOOD! Yer gittin yer revenge for what happened in the Middle Ages the Goddess is Ascendant" etc.

RE: I am just trying to give a clear picture of what it's like, so the youngers can understand why women are reversing the table.

And so long as you fImmYniStS are decided to create an inverse sexism, for the sake of both my son, who would be directly affected, and my daughter, who I DON'T want growing up a sexist bitch, I'll call you Goddess Ascendant yay Lorrena Bobbitt struck a blow for the sistryn crap every single time.

RE: Why we are stricking out in our own deffence.

And how was your ex defending himself when he battered you? How were the other men around defending themselves when they laughed at what was going on?

Sucks, didn't it?

Can't you get it through your head that there are people out there who not only say what was done to you was wrong - but also that you shouldn't do it to anyone else either because it's what was done that was wrong, not what color hat the person wore when he did it.

RE: I don't like violence of any sort, I don't condone hitting or the likes for any human being, man, woman or child. But I can understand what drives them.

What could have drove your ex was his mommy beating him as a child. Should we blame womyn for the way they raise children for male violence? Or should we call em as they come?

RE: I never understood why men would want to harm someone they profess to love.

I'm sure there are a lot of children in intensive care and battered lesbians asking the same question of wommiyn.

RE: s far as it being a Man's World.. look around.. who's in charge,

WOMEN.

RE: who starts the wars,

WOMEN.

RE: Has there and will there ever be a female president? why not.. bc, it's a man's world.

Do you think the grocery store clerks "own" the store, too?

RE: Funny, it's ok to run the household, with the approval from the man as the final say. You give us a joke to live by, as you pat each other on the back, being 'good ole boys. I hear them say to each other.

Where do you live?

Oh, and do you know that this election was swung by a couple of key voting blocs?

Catholics/Evangelicals and.....

Women.

Yes, Women. The same women carrying their babes in their arms who fear for the safety of their children and went for the alpha male, secure in himself, warmongering asshole rather than the sensitive, questioning, Alan Alda style new man Kerry.

Abraham Lincoln wouldn't be elected today! I mean ugh, that hair! That beard! That won't play well to this demographic. When "men ran the world" as you say we had statesmen. Now we have charming talking heads.

Seemed to me when Clinton was dealing with the whole Blue Dress incident it was the men who were indignant and the women who thought he was cute. I quit.

 

And by the way, yeah, most men know what it's like to be victimised and kicked around. Bullying in school happens to a lot of people. And even if you aren't the guy smacked around by the football darlings you still get to see that and try and make yourself invisible.

 

Irongoth is right about the women swinging the vote. It was the single mothers and the racists, and the rednecks. It continues to be the racists, that is why the reps. controll the house/senate. In the south alot of the democrats are black, so they don't even listen to them, they just don't vote for them.

I hate the south, its full of racism and I never want to go there.

 

Also, the Christians love Bush for his "Anti-abortion". There are many people who voted for him for that sole reason.

 

Picking me apart changes nothing. Women rule the underground not the surface. We are in the same class as they rate minorities. Even tho we out number men 5 to 1 statistically speaking. WE still get lesser pay in the work place and we get nothing for playing housewife and mother. We are not even taken seriously by the medical proffession, which is also male domanant.
I never hear anyone one saying ' it's a woman's world out there'.

But this is a man's issue forum... and what I was addressing was abuse. It was condoned for thousands of yrs. by men and everyone looked the other way. But when a man gets kicked in the groin or his dick cut off by some irate female then the men freak. I may not think that penis cutting is the right way to handle a situation, but I do think it will be more remebered that when men slice womens breasts off or cut the clitoris from all female children.

There are very few female serial killers in the world, mostly just isolated incidences of women either defending themselves or they have lost it completly from yrs of abuse or they are insane.
I am not political. I don't read the paper and I Dont partisipate in organised religion.
I dont have to be told. I see, I feel and I live.

You blame the south for the countrys problem, we are the lowest payed workers in the USA, we have the least benefits and no medical. You hate the south, then don't eat any peaches, oranges, or half the other produce that ends up on your table. Don't drink our milk or accept any of our 'southern hospitality'. Stop eating beans and cornbread and blackeyed peas, no more 'southern fried chicken' for you either, or watermelon.
We are part of you, we have no more control over what the gov does then you do. And I would like to add that I was not abused in the south, it was in the east and west, if that makes any difference in where it happened and it was not just one man that did the abussing, it was several over the yrs. Take a look in the ER in any hospital and see how many women compared to men are laying there on life support from abuse.
You blame women for the worlds problems, well you'd better look at it again, bc you missed something. BC your head is up... well you know where it is.

 

I just want to state a few things.. you say women get paid less then men.. I make more then a lot of men in my office...
Secondly you basically say there are more male serial killers and such..But do you see men killing their own children, the women drowing, stoning, stabbing their own children..so you cant say that all men are serial killers when women are out their killing their own children...
I find women to be very hypocritical in this area.. They bash on men, just like how they say and loathe men who bash women.. But you are doing the same exact thing..
Being a women, I have encountered sexism, but thats just cause the individual was ignorant..not the whole sex..
Just because you have had men in your life that hurt you, doesnt mean you have to think men in general are shit..because you dont like it when men think that about women..
I know someone will give me hell for this post, but I just wanted to state how i felt and dont tell me I am wrong because there is no possible way that i am wrong with my own opinions and statements...
I could go on forever with other examples and so forth.. but i will save those cause I know some will have a problem with what I said...

 

RE: Picking me apart changes nothing. Women rule the underground not the surface.

Would you rather wear the crown or be in control? Give me the control, and you can posture all you want. Unfortunately the inverse is VERY true. Women run everything.

RE: We are in the same class as they rate minorities. Even tho we out number men 5 to 1 statistically speaking. WE still get lesser pay in the work place

Not for the same work. In fact you're 13 times more likely to become an executive right now if you're female than male. And, in some places they're telling men not to apply for jobs (e.g. in Canada, I was told by a member of the applications board as an aside not to bother applying to med school cause there were "too many men")

RE: and we get nothing for playing housewife and mother.

What about the paycheque of the poor bastard who goes out and slaves away while you play mommy (most often by choice?)

RE: We are not even taken seriously by the medical proffession, which is also male domanant.

I see. That's why breast cancer, which is often terminal, gets next to no funding while prostate cancer, which is something horrid but not quite as deadly, gets tons. That's sarcasm. The inverse is actually true.

RE: I never hear anyone one saying ' it's a woman's world out there'.

Yes you will.

RE: But this is a man's issue forum... and what I was addressing was abuse.

No, you were letting fly with a bunch of feminist propaganda lies.

RE: But when a man gets kicked in the groin or his dick cut off by some irate female then the men freak.

Then it becomes fodder for jokes on late night TV. Nobody would have joked about John Bobbitt cutting out his wife's genitals, that's for sure.

RE: I may not think that penis cutting is the right way to handle a situation, but I do think it will be more remebered that when men slice womens breasts off or cut the clitoris from all female children.

And when do men do this? As for FGM, let's talk about here. What they do in Papua New Guinea is nothing to do with us. Oh, while we're on the subject many men get pieces of their genitals cut off at birth because mommy thinks it would be cleaner, more hygenic and less trouble.

RE: There are very few female serial killers in the world, mostly just isolated incidences of women either defending themselves or they have lost it completly from yrs of abuse or they are insane.

Bullshit. Karla Homolka, Lizzie Borden....

RE: You blame the south for the countrys problem, we are the lowest payed workers in the USA, we have the least benefits and no medical.

And you vote Republican. The irony is staggering.

RE: You hate the south, then don't eat any peaches, oranges, or half the other produce that ends up on your table. Don't drink our milk or accept any of our 'southern hospitality'. Stop eating beans and cornbread and blackeyed peas, no more 'southern fried chicken' for you either, or watermelon.

Gladly.

RE: We are part of you, we have no more control over what the gov does then you do.

So wait, the government ISN'T being run by a bunch of Texas pro-life Fundie yahoos?

RE: Take a look in the ER in any hospital and see how many women compared to men are laying there on life support from abuse.

More men, on average, than women. Men backhand. Women stab.

RE: You blame women for the worlds problems, well you'd better look at it again, bc you missed something. BC your head is up... well you know where it is.

Poor you. Poor poor poor you. Here's a cookie. Now go away.

 

This is sad.

 

I did not come to condem men, you missunderstand. I was just relating to what it was like to be ABUSED.
Men kill their children too. I dont want to get in a fight here. I said I was passionate about this subject bc I lived it. Talking about it brings back all the horror of it. It makes my blood runs cold.
I know what's going on in the world. I'm not stupid or closed minded. I'm talking statistacly which can be confirmed by fact. These are investigations that have taken place over the decades. I didn't invent them.
I was speaking for the abused women of the world. If you are/were not abused then you don't have a clue as to what it really is. Only what the media lets you see.
Take a strool through any Battered Women's Shelter and ask a few of the women what it's like. Then find a Battered Man's Shelter and ask them.. ohh you cant' find one, how odd. Surely there are many, as much as men get battered.
I know women do a lot of shit. I know also that it's only a fraction of what men do.
Goggle it and see for your self.
You ARE free to belive what ever you wish. So am I. You are free to post your feelings, so am I. But to have the FACTS is the ONLY way to make an honest judgement.

 

When you say judgement you mean opinion, and an opinion requires an adjective. I think we can all agree on one "wrong".

 

Our Fuhrer forbid us to beat on German woman they are suposed to have lots of little blond hair blue eyes boys.

 

Mmmkay. Just so we're clear -

(and it's obvious who this is and WHY I am posting under a diff. nick here)

Look, 'heifer, I've said tons of times it sucked that someone hit you. If any of that came across as unsympathetic to your plight, that's NOT what my intent was. FOR THE RECORD which is the ONLY reason why I grabbed another nick and got going here, was to make this point extremely clear. If this hurt your feelings I am truly sorry.

Now, feel free to take a thread about "why is it OK to hit men" and turn it into a wholesale attack on men based on your personal experiences, and start throwing your weight around when you are presented with facts not to your liking.

FOR THE RECORD there are no battered men's shelters because society doesn't deem it necessary. Nobody really takes violence against men seriously. A woman has options to split. Men often don't. Some men end up homeless this way.

Now, for the record, this thread is now "why men suck". Goddess Ascendant, etc.

This account will probably be closed within milliseconds. so feel free to discuss amongst yerselves.

 

It still doesn't make the institutionalized battery of men by women right. This thread was started to question (and answer) why men being hit goes largely accepted and ignored, and more to the point, what possible defense there could be for why it hasn't been given the same attention and treatment as abuse against any other group.

steffan's response: "If you can't take a punch from a girl you need to reevaluate your strengths and work on it." Ok, well, it may be true that most guys who couldn't "take a punch" from a girl aren't keeping themselves in the best of shape. But you fail to address why we should have to take a punch from a girl in the first place. Why should we have to train ourselves to be better, more complacent punching bags? Imagine if we took that attitude toward battered women: "Well dear, it looks like there's some internal bleeding from when he punched you in the gut, so try to clench your ab muscles next time he hits you."

And shameless_heifer, your argument for why men should just deal pretty much amounts to "Women have been physically abused for thousands of years and everyone looked the other way, and now it's men's turn. Boo hoo. Now you know not to mess with us."

With that kind of attitude toward men's safety and well-being, how can you expect men who are wronged by women today to feel any differently about violence toward them tomorrow (i.e., "She probably deserved it because all women are evil bitches who treat men like garbage and always get away with it.")? How is a shift in power having any benefit toward equality and justice and life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, etc.? Do you even care about these ideas, or will you just be happy as long as women come out on top? How does this make you any better than the men who try to keep women down? You say women rule the underground but not the surface. Why should they rule anything? Why should men, for that matter?

Having anger toward invdividual deserving members of the opposite sex for misdeeds against yours is ok, and healthy. Maintaining anger toward the opposite sex in general and acting in anger and violence against undeserving members of that sex just produces more and more people with anger and resentment and violent vendettas. This produces more people who want to assert power over others, which in the long run just produces more abusers and abuse, rapists and rapes, haters and hate.

It goes without saying that men who beat, rape, maim and kill women irreparably damage the lives and trust of women everywhere and set a horrible example for young men. What does not go without saying - so I'll say it - is that women who beat, rape, main and kill men (fewer though they may be) irreparably damage the lives and trust of men everywhere and set a horrible example for young women. It is a universal truth that violence begets violence. This is no less true when women are violent.

As far as I'm concerned, nobody in this thread has been able to come up with a reasonable justification for why society at large looks the other way when women victimize men. I can only conclude then, that there is no justification for society allowing men to victimized. It is as unwarranted as violence by men against women is, and both are contrary and damaging to any sort of societal progress we hope to make. Continue to support the status quo and you continue to endorse the longevity of abuse, rape and violence.

 

A girl will hit me. If I hit back in self defence, the police will come, pepper spray me, and beat me within an inch of my life. They will put cuffs on me and take me away. Then I will go to court, and the joury will sentance me to years in prison, taking away all hope I have of a future.

So if a girl hits me, I can put my hands over my face and scream and cry and say "she hit me". Then nobody will talk to me, but they will all talk about me. They will say lots of negative things.

Lets say I hit her, she crys and gets lots of sympathy, one of her girlfriends tells me off, then the police come and same as earlier.


There are thousands of senarios, all resultig from contact with people.

I never talk to any of my friends...

 

When did I say it was alright for women to hit men.. I never said or implied that. I said I didn't think it was right for women to hit men.. I don't think hitting solves anything.
I was not having a pity party, I was relating what battering is and what it does to women. It was a thread about hitting women.. I'm a women that was hit a lot and I was telling it it IS. If you can't dig that then you need to learn a little more.
I didn't come here to fight over who is right or who is wrong, I was just responding to battering women.. So what ever you want to think is not my problem, it's yours. If your not part of the solution, then your part of the problem my dear. Dig it.

 

This is NOT a thread about hitting women. If you bothered to read the original post, you'd know that. You may not be throwing yourself a pity party (you've yet to convince me), but you've essentially hijacked this thread at every opportunity to make it seem like this issue is unimportant just because women have been victimized longer than men. You didn't say hitting men was ok but you unquestionably showed disrespect to men who encounter this issue with all your "goddess taking the throne" posturing and essentially telling men to get over it because YOU don't seem to think it's a big deal. You respond sarcastically about the serious lack of men's shelters without realizing that it's because of people like you making a mockery of the issue that there are so few shelters. Many men could use sanctuary from the abuse they face, but the United Way won't fund them because - like you - they maintain a sexist bias against real problems men face. Improving the quality of men's lives just doesn't seem to matter in a "women and children first" society.

I'm not part of the solution? How is raising a discussion about the abuse men suffer at the hands of women in a system that tells men "Oh, quit whining" not being part of the solution? Tell me, if I hadn't made this thread, would it have occurred to you to question the plight of men who are wronged by an obvious social bias against them? Would you have started this thread? Would this thread have been started by anyone? Well, it hadn't been yet.

As I wrote before, I am sorry to hear about your experiences with having been battered. But you do a disservice to your cause by failing to see men's experiences with abuse as important and worthy of our undivided attention (otherwise why would you keep trying to change the subject?).

 

If you took what I said as attacking men, you've got issues, I was saying that women have been going through it for thousands of years and I gave refference to my own abuse and a for instance, I was immedeatly attacked, by a man and told off. No Big Thing, I've learned to live with it. The sign said ' Dont Hit Women.. well why is what I say changing the subject.. never mind, I don't need to know.
Y'all just belive what you want. I don't have to explane myself to you or anyone else. I didn't think it was off the subject.. but like I said.. never mind. You know nothing of the Spirit of things and I'm not going to argue the point with you. OPEN your Mind..

 

The title is "don't hit women, but...". I'm sorry conjunctions mean nothing to you. Not my fault you can't read (or choose not to). And yes, I do have issues. I take issue with the value placed on men in this day and age, and the protection they have under the law (compared to women). Hence this thread. All you've done in your posts is confirm the need for my having spoken up in the first place.

And I didn't say you were attacking men, but it's quite clear to me how little regard you have for them.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those are all attacks on men. And us feminists wonder why so many people label us feminazis... this is why. I'm all for equality, but that doesn't make attacking men legitimate -through words or actions. I'm VERY sorry for what you have gone through, it's something I wish no person (male or female) has to go through.

By dividing the world into "us" and "them", be it male or female or those who are fighting for equality and those who have other issues on their mind, you're making it nearly impossible to actually achieve equality. It's like racism, "us" vs "them", how can you see each other as equals if you create this giant line between them.


I don't think hitting anyone is a good thing. I think defending yourself is necessary, but a pre-emptive defense ain't no good (ie attacking before they've attacked you).




And thank you Hanzo, for being much more calm and rational about this than I'm being