The 9-11 Truth Movement (Read)

i only said what I did, because if the secret service acts in such a way after a small attack in london, yet fails to do such a thing in the case of two large attacks, and one failed, in a situation where the next target could be directly bush... why was he not rushed away to safety?

 

belittling his research is fine, matthew, if u'd actually read his report and had some particular point 2 challenge him on. instead u rubbish it while smugly pretending 2 us u'd read it and knew all about it. sorta like u'd already made ur mind up in advance the guy was wrong be4 u even knew what he had to say. and all the rest of it, the smoke screens, red herrings, and rambling incoherent posts were like, let me think, oh yes, like "you're just trying to add weight to your own biased mind".

if u wanna play mind games with me u'll have 2 do better than that mattie boy.

 

OK, how about "these people [the insurgents] hate freedom." No, they don't, they want there freedom back. They are just fighting off invaders in their country.

How about when he said he saw the first plane hit. Impossible cause that footage wasn't broadcast until hours after the attacks.

How about when he claimed that there were weapons of mass destruction?

Those are just the obvious ones off the top of my head.....really, does this need to be explained to you? I'll post more when I'm not at work....

 

OK, let's look at some points:

In a televised conference on April 13 2004, Bush states "Nobody in our government, and I don't think prior government, could envision flying airplanes into a building on such a massive scale." Condoleeza Rice claims that they couldn't envision it at all, let alone on a massive scale (Bush effectively calls Rice a liar here), and at the G8 in Genoa, they had security measures put in place such as restricted airspace and anti-aircraft guns to prevent just such an attack on Bush's hotel. Consider also this link outlining the details of a 'Pentagon Mass Casualty Exercise' a contingency drill practicing for the crashing of a passenger plane in to the Pentagon. It is also clearly put in a terrorism context.

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html


Bush denies having prior warning of the attacks, while he apparently had very specific warnings from Isreal and Pakistan (to name a couple) the latter of which directly contacted the CIA with information from Pakistani spies who it seems had infiltrated Al-Qaeda. Pakistani intelligence later said that the CIA seemed uninterested with the details. Even Vladmir Putin said on an MS-NBC broadcast that in August 2001, he ordered Russian intelligence to send specific messages to the CIA including details of the attacks. Putim had also sent a warning to Bush in 'the strongest possible terms' about planes being crashed into buildings. In an article on the Russian media website Izvestia on Sept. 12 2001, a meeting allegedly took place between a CIA Deputy Director and a special messenger of Russian Intelligence. The article claims: "...he delivered to his American colleagues some documents including audiotapes with telephone conversations directly relating to terrorist attacks on Washington and New York last Tuesday. According to these sources, Russian Intelligence agents know the organizers and executers of these terrorist attacks. More than that Moscow warned Washington about preparation to these actions a couple of weeks before they happened."
The text in bold was later omitted from the Izvestia website.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/izvestia_story_pic.html


Man, like isn't it obvious? Just listen to the guy speak. He speaks so much, but never says anything. He never answers legitimate questions, he just goes into patriotic rhetoric to back up everything he does, and if that fails, he claims God told him to do it. God told you to do it? This is the guy running your country? He speaks to God, and God tells him to bomb the civilians of countries that never provoked him. I guess they didn't pray enough, right?

When I see him talk, it's like he's talking to a toddler. He talks slowly, and in broken sentences so that people will either get bored or confused, and not realize that he never gave an answer for anything or gave any kind of new information. Doesn't it insult you? Do you like being babied? "Don't worry, children, your safe with me. Now, go die for me. You'll be a hero, and better, a true American. Who do they think they are over there, doing - you know- whatever they did...they...just...just....well they hate freedom. They want everyone (including themselves) to be horribly repressed. Everyone should be slaves in their mind. They get off on it. They - they revel in it, they're evil heartless faceless people, who must die. They are the ones killing your sons and daughters. And all we wanted to do was spread democracy right? Or was it build a pipeline through their houses? Anyway, they can't survive without us. No, we must stay there or they will all surely whither and die. And you'll die too, but, you know, I'll still sleep at night. And you can sleep knowing that I'm happy, and everything is going according to plan."

 

This is a really good point. However, it occurs to me that the G8 meeting was probably the safest place in the world at the time. Not only do they have police in riot gear driving back the peaceful people, but just think of the internal protection services from more than just the eight countries, and probably restricted airspace like in Genoa. But, that's beside the point. The point is on Sept. 11th dubya breifly addressed the nation while the attacks were still happening, and by that I mean there were still questionable aircraft in flight. No, it doesn't make sense.

PS - both my parents worked for Air Canada for several years. They say if the cellphone uses a satellite than they will be able to place calls, but if it's a ground reciever, the plane will move too fast for the phone to work.

 

The only conclusions i jumped to were the fact that people used phones in the air all the time, the messages from the people onboard i have not heard questioned. Thats why i said something like 'i have not heard about this before'. So yeah i did rubbish it straight away, i did read what was given to me .. I don't think you fully read the link you offered later, as it had a few inconsistancies to the first, like i pointed out. I said later 'just look at the results' because it had more positive than negative results. I was never claiming i was fully versed in his research, the more we continued the more i looked at multiple sites about it (prety much saying the same thing, and highlighting the same research). I looked ane looked for sources away from the 9/11 incident about mobile phones on planes.. what i found i (incoherently) offered up. Know were have i found anything more than the disruption it is supposedly had with the plane.

As know one else has offered any further thoughts on this, i say we should agree to disagree.

 

matthew, pls stop transferring ur guilt 2 me. u didn't read professor dewdney's report at all, because if u had u would have known he tested ten or more different mobile phones and not one as u said. this fact forms the kernel of his methodology. to have missed it somehow or not seen it means ur research skills r faulty. but i don't think they r, i think they're q sharp in fact,if not at times rushed. u simply didn't read it.

i don't know which link u r referring 2 that u say i didn't fully read. do u mean the link to the physics 911 noticeboard? then no i did not follow and authenticate every link on the noticeboard because there are too many. this link was offered up 2 show ppl that the mobile phone issue was still active, as the noticeboard attests. i am not endorsing the views of anyone who may have posted on it, which should be obvious to blind freddy.

 

For anyone interested in 9/11 Truth, read David Ray Griffin's books "The New Pearl Harbor" and his most recent "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions".

www.septembereleventh.org

 

Man, I spent like an hour digging up info to answer your inane questioning, and no one, let alone yourself even read it.

 

i read it but ur preaching2 the converted. that's y, if u recall, i suggested he prove 2 us bush is not a liar. but he no like my idea. 2 much like thinking...

 

Good idea! So, now that I've proved he is a liar, why don't you prove he's not, screw?

 

i never said he wasnt, i told you to prove it to me. contrary to what you may believe, i have my own mind and dont believe everything bush says
screw

 

Oooooooh, you make me laugh.....

 

did u also know there's no santa and tooth fairy?

 

kill yourself now hippy. you probly think bush was the one who was behind 9-11 to huh?

 

you live in canada. americas toilet puts a smile on my face to

 

get ur pejoratives right man, if u want ur insults 2 have effect: i'm a screaming poofter, not a bloody hippy. got it?

 

what was that hippy boy?

 

u heard me. that's the only reason i bother talking 2 u: nice arse screw.

 

HA! Americas toilet! Funny. You're a clown. There sure is alot of shit coming out of America for us, isn't there. Most of it from your mouth. No, most of it from the stupid government, which you still won't admit is crooked. But your never wrong, of course. Clowns are always right.