Balance of Nature

Discussion in 'Vegetarian' started by hippyman, Jul 15, 2005.

  1. hippyman

    hippyman Member

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    In the animal kingdom, and even the plant kingdom to some extent, animals/plants eat meat because they are meant to. Mother nature uses them to sustain the balance of nature. Humans are omnivorus, so wouldnt that mean that we are meant to eat some meat? If we all only ate vegetables, wouldn't that throw nature off balance?
     
  2. Apples+Oranjes

    Apples+Oranjes Bekkasaur

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    I guess it's sort of a matter of opinion.
    As humans, we have a choice on what we eat and what we don't eat, so it's not really throwing off the balance...Humans have always, and always will have the choice.
    I know people who honestly solely live off of animal products, and I know other vegans. It's because, and only because, as humans we have a choice.
    To me, I pretty much believe that we are neither carnivorus, omnivorus, or herbivorus... we are what we choose, and if balanced correctly, can live substantially off of any of the diets. Though, none of the diets will work if you dont balance it out, and get all the essentials...all the vitamins you need and such. That's just an opinion though.

    If people were meant not to be vegans, I believe being vegan would make them sick, but I myself, and many other vegans are extremely healthy. Balance is the key. Balancing your own personal diet, that is.
     
  3. velvet

    velvet Banned

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    when it comes to balance I think the US is consuming enough meat to balance out the rest of the world dieing of starvation or being moderate with their meat :p

    So me being a vegetarian won't overthrow the balance or whatever.. my bf eats meat btw and I prepare it sometimes.. that's ok, I respect his choice and all.. but seriously, if you look at how much meat there is consumed (esp. in the US) you can't talk about 'natural balance of omnivores' anymore. It's decadent indulgence.
     
  4. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Hippyman,
    I don't think so, mainly because on average humans consume husbanded/ raised/ bred animals. Few large societies depend upon hunting.. In fact, becoming herders in the West (esp the US west) created more balance problems as preditors were killed in great numbers, so the former non -livestock prey get overpopulated (ie, mule deer)
     
  5. stranger

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    we are different from animals. we have science and knowledge, and know eating animals is not conductive to human health. meaning were not omnivores like you said. you can argue all you want but the fact is meat has no dietary fiber or carbohydrates, crucial elements of a human diet. its nothing but saturated fat and cholesterol, 2 things you do not need whatsoever that basically just rot and dont digest in your body since they are fiberless.

    nature is balancing it self perfectly on its own for the most part. if there were a need for population control of some animal species dont you think wed realize it? right now so many animals populations are microscopic in comparison to their ancestors. flocks of passenger pidgeons(now extinct) used to cover the sky for days as they flew over and you used to be able to catch a salmon or fish in just about any river simply dipping a basket in it. things have changed a lot, and our culture has essentially chose death over life and their winning easilly. our culture or civilization, including he meat eating aspect of it, has caused far more harm than it has good imo.

    humanity needs to just leave nature alone right now and let it heal and recover if thats even possible anymore. the meat industries do nothing but further harm ecosystems,destroy more rain forests, cause more pollution and greed and corruption within this precious world of ours. i wont get into all the environmental cases right now, but lets just say there is a very strong argument against the meat industry and what it does to this world.
     
  6. Apples+Oranjes

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    I am not sure if this post fits in here well...
    but here goes.

    Being vegan, I find it impossible to be against the cruelty to animals and not be eco-friendly at the same time. If we abuse the earth, then the very animals that I am trying to support will not thrive half as well, if at all.

    I think over anything, to treat the environment right shall be more of a concern than the nature of the "food chain"

    To me, it is not our place to consider a certain species "over populated"
    For the most part, humans are more over populated throughout the world than say deer are.

    The food chain, I would like to add, also works without humans involved in eating animals. Why? Because, humans have the *tools* to eat ANY animal, therefore, in my opinion throwing it more off balance than anything.

    Let me elaborate---
    A lion can eat a wildebeest..
    [or any big cat for that matter]
    A wolf can eat a deer
    or cattle
    or pigs
    or chickens

    Etc. My point is, with all of the animals of the world, that consume the same animals humans do, it makes it unnecessary for us to as well...But, that is just my point of view. Not a fact, or even really an opinion, it's just the simple angle I look at it from.

    I also feel that the term "over populated" is used when humans begin to think a certain species is simply becoming a NUISANCE. I have had many hunters, or those who are okay with the idea of hunting, tell me "If we didn't hunt the deer, do you know how many people would be hitting deer with their cars everyday?"

    It always seems as if many humans, put humans first, and disregard the lives of other species if it gets in the *way* of their existence.

    I'd also like to add that the use of cars is insane the way it is. Instead of blaming it on the deer, it should be our responsibility to find a more effective way of transportation ...
    If public transportation was utilized more often...first of all, there would be less traffic, thus making the chances slimmer of hitting a deer. Also, if a bus hits a deer, it's slim to none that any passengers would be injured anyway, because a bus is MUCH bigger than a deer, nor would the deer go through a bus windshield.
    If transportation by foot were utilized more often or completely, the dilemma of hitting a deer would be non-existent.

    Instead of blaming wolves for attacking and devouring the cattle, why can't we either take it upon ourselves to eat less meat, or find other means of protein? [such as veggies and vegans do]

    To me, there is a much better solution to everything, then resorting to murdering an animal for meat and other "essentials"

    Just an opinion though, take it or leave it please :)
     
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